Amos

He said to his mother:

‘Woman, behold your son.’

Then he said to the disciple

‘behold your mother


The above exchange took place with John, the beloved apostle and bosom buddy of Jesus the Jew who had been set free under the name of 'son of man' (Barabbas) was at the foot of the cross together with Mary theotokos, Elizabeth and Magdalene.

Of course they are gender specific. JBab was conceived by Elizabeth in the netherworld of the subconscious mind to provide the inner detemination to succeed; Mary theotokos was the Virgin brought into the conscious mind where she cradled the incipient awakening of Jesus the Christ, and Magdalene was there to bewail the death of the image she had loved . . . which was the ego now crucified. To be sure, without the release of Mary into the conscious mind at the "Wedding in Cana" the "temptation in the desert" -- which is its counterpart -- would have been unbearable and crucifixion would have never followed this event.

Vinnie

I never said Mary was a nobody. I stated the exact opposite.

A very fast glance of that site told me it puts Mary in a contending position for the beloved disciple and maybe even authorship of GJohn.

Even if all that is granted none of it sugegsts Mary-M was Jesus' wife. That is still sensationalism. All sorts of Rmantic things are imagined about Mary, she was a former prostitute, she was the woman caught in adultury appearing in fth century manuscrupts of John, she fell in love with Jesus, she was beautiful, she was Jesus wife, she fled to France carrying Jesus' child etc.

E.P. Sanders said it best: For all we know, on the basis of our sources, she was eighty-six, childless, and keen to mother unkempt young men." (HFJ p. 75)

This is lavishing stark, episodic material with romantic imagination and flights of fancy. There is no scholarship here.

Now Mary-M and the bloved disciple is not in the category. but me personally, I lean towards JD_Crossan and think the Rez experiences are about politics and authority. The goal is to prioritize the Beloved Disciple over the others (Thomas, Peter, and Mary-M) IMO. I find Mary-M being the BD problematic for a few reasons thought a detailed examination of that site is out of my time limits right now.

Vinnie

Revelation_Man

Yep. She was Jesus' #1 groupie.

But she had a big impact all her own. If she hadn't, she wouldn't have made Peter so nervous.

Revelation_Man

How is that unlike the rest of the Bible?

And your fears of Mary being the BD sound very similar to the ones evoked by Peter and the other desciples.

Vinnie

This is irrelevant so I will not adress it here.

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And your fears of Mary being the BD sound very similar to the ones evoked by Peter and the other desciples.

LOLOLOL My fears???? :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

I already stated Mary was very prominent in the early church, as prominent as other big guns like Peter and co.

Thinking the fourth Gospel prioritizes the BD ofver Mary_M is a fear? Not to mention the other problems.

Vinnie

Kosh

I don't know who she was, but according to the bronze statue in front of the Adventist hospital my wife works at, she had one helluva nice tushy!

chapka

There's a good discussion of where various people named "Mary" occur in the Gospels in the on-line 1906 Catholic Encyclopedia. Basically, there are a lot of mentions of someone named "Mary" in the Gospels, and whenever it's clear that they're not talking about Jesus' mother, people assume they're all references to the same Mary. This is the Roman Catholic tradition, anyway.