Voice of reason

Yes many historians in that area and not one mentions a guy who has 5000 people following him around and he raises the dead and walks on water and not one little whisper about this fellow.

That is why I believe the gospels are a solar myth and Jesus is nothing more than an allegory for the journey of the sun through the constellations.

dogsgod

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According to Paul, his own apostleship and Peter's was appointed by God. Galatians 2:7. Paul appears to have no knowledge of Peter being chosen by Jesus himself, and he could not have been expected to since the gospels weren't written until after his death.


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aa5874

You simply CANNOT use ONLY the Pauline Epistles to determine Paul's own veracity when there are other sources that contradict Paul.

There are MASSIVE HOLES in the Pauline writings.

The abundance of EVIDENCE from apologetic sources show that the Pauline Epistles were NOT written before the Jesus stories were invented.


There is EVIDENCE from an apologetic source that Paul was aware gLuke.


Church History 3.4.8 A Pauline writer claimed that HE persecuted the FAITH that he NOW preached.

Galatians 1:23 - 1Co 11:23 - A Pauline writer claimed Jesus was betrayed in the night after he had supped, was crucified, died was raised on the third day, ascended to heaven and was expected to RETURN a Second Time.

Paul placed himself AFTER the Jesus story.

The author of Acts placed Paul AFTER the ascension of Jesus and with the apostles of Jesus in Jerusalem.

Acts 9.26-28.

And in addition the late long-ending of gMark indicates that the information of the short-ending gMark predated the Pauline writings.

There is just no EVIDENCE that Paul was not aware of the stories about the apostles of Jesus or the Jesus story of gLuke.

dogsgod

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Paul visited Jerusalem before its destruction. The gospel of Mark predicts the destruction of Jerusalem, Mark12 41, placing it's writing at the time when it became inevitable, or writing after the fact. The earliest possible date being 67CE, but no later than 90CE.


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aa5874

You cannot show that Sau/Paul even lived before the Fall of the Temple.

In Acts, Saul'Paul met the FICTITIOUS characters called apostles in Jerusalem in a fiction story where the apostles witnessed Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost ascend through the clouds and Saul/Paul was converted by a blinding bright light.

Saul/Paul the author of ALL the Epistles with the name Paul was a fictitious 1st century character.

There is no external corroborative source for Saul or Paul as found in Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings.

And, if Paul was the first to preach or teach that Jesus was a God and Creator of everything in the world who was raised from the dead why did he want to meet others who were apostles before him?


Every single book and Epistle in the NT Canon was written after the Fall of the Temple since there are no historical sources of Jewish origin like Philo and Josephus who can account for any Jewish man who lived in Galilee for about thirty years and was worshiped as a God by Jews up to the Fall of the Temple.

Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings are part of the fraudulent and bogus fabricated history of Jesus believers.

dogsgod

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Whomever wrote Galatians claimed to have visited Jerusalem twice, fourteen years apart. I think we can take for granted that these visits took place before the destruction of Jerusalem. There is reason to believe that the Peter, James, and John, referred to in Galatians are actual people, however their roles as disciples of a Jesus as portrayed in the gospels written later could very well be fictitious as well are the characters as portrayed in Acts.


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aa5874

...Whomever wrote whatever whenever.........??????

You are not making much sense.

You are assuming that Galatians was written by whomever who lived whenever?

Whomever wrote whatever whenever was first because you have no reason......?

Acts of the Apostles is about the activities of the apostles and Saul/Paul, the author of ALL the Pauline writings.

You simply cannot ISOLATE the Pauline writings from Acts of the Apostles.

Do you not UNDERSTAND or REALISE that the author of Acts placed Saul/Paul in a basket by a wall in Damascus and that Paul in the Pauline writings also admitted that he was in a basket by a wall in Damascus.


Acts 9:25 - 2Cor 11:33 - Do you not understand or realise that the Pauline writers were presented by the Church writers as Saul/Paul of Acts of the Apostles.

In Acts, Saul/Paul met fictitious apostles apostles in Jerusalem and so did Paul in the Pauline writings. Saul/Paul of Acts and Paul of the Pauline writings are the same FICTITIOUS 1st century characters.

It has already been presented by Church writers that Saul/Paul of Acts is Paul of the Pauline writings.

dogsgod

The epistles attributed to a Paul, we can call him Paul if it pleases and satisfies you, but the Paul we read of in The Acts of the Apostles can be taken with a grain of salt.

DCHindley

The Urinal Book (not that FAKE Urantia book), which channels information from only the most authoritative spirits of ancient sages, states unequiovocably that Paul took an Internet correspondance course from Apostolic Succession College of Biblical Science, which ultimately certified him to spread the gospel and carry donations meant for Jerusalem's poor. Duh!

Of course, the Urinal Book is full of LIES, and deserves to be flushed down the drain of history!

DCH

Kapyong

Gday,

Thanks.
I took it up to about mid-late 2nd century.


K.