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Old 05-30-2007, 12:56 PM   #51
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Was it that the Jerusalem Church accepted some other status for Jesus (messianic without being divine, etc)?
Yes, messiah, not God. The remnant of this original Palestinian, unitarian Christianity became known as the Ebionites. Traces can also be found in Gnosticism and in the various later Christological "heresies".
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It is beyond question that the idea of Christ's divinity comes from Paul, was derived from Paul
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It was a quotation for which I provided a link.
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It was a quotation for which I provided a link.
Does that link provide conclusive evidence to support the statement I quoted?
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:16 PM   #55
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Does that link provide conclusive evidence to support the statement I quoted?
Why don't you try reading it and find out for yourself? In the event that you have already done so, I will take it that you did not find the requisite evidence. I can't really help with that. I find the arguments and the marshalling of evidence in this piece to be utterly persuasive.
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Because you did not say that the required evidence was contained therein, nor did you provide a précis of a long document.
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Because you did not say that the required evidence was contained therein, nor did you provide a précis of a long document.
On the first point, I thought it would be sufficient for most people to see the context of the quotation. On the second point, it must be acknowledged that this is in fact the tail of a very large dog; and I really don't have much in the way of shortcuts for you. Sorry.
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Because you did not say that the required evidence was contained therein, nor did you provide a précis of a long document.
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On the first point, I thought it would be sufficient for most people to see the context of the quotation.
I thought it looked like a typical contentious 'net statement that the poster could not support; what a tutor would award 0/100. Looks may be deceptive, though.

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On the second point, it must be acknowledged that this is in fact the tail of a very large dog
I'm sure someone could write an encyclopedia entry for this idea, even if it's 100% nonsense.
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I thought it looked like a typical contentious 'net statement that the poster could not support; what a tutor would award 0/100. Looks may be deceptive, though.


I'm sure someone could write an encyclopedia entry for this idea, even if it's 100% nonsense.
My point was that this is just one minor point in the complete reformulation of Christology that Brunner provides. While the idea seems rather bald and unsupported, it is quite without any shock value for anyone familiar with the whole of Brunner's book.
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Not at all. I would say that he has brought up a compelling thought.
I look forward to reading the compelling book you write on the subject.
This is a discussion forum . Simply because I discuss or respond to ideas or possibilities here is not any indication that I want to compose a thesis on the subject. It is simply discussion .

As you obviously have no interest in discussing nor exploring the subject nor can your responses be considered an attempt at clever detraction, one must wonder why you bother to respond.


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Where then would you say that the idea of Jesus's deification originated ?
It's your idea. Where's your compelling reason?
As to Jesus's deification, I did bring up a couple of points on the subject. First that it doesn't seem that the idea of Jesus's deification comes from within the cultural context of Second temple Judaism and seecondly that while Romans did deify it was usually reserved for their royalty. I asked if there are any examples of deification of other types of peopl in the empire. (priests, gladiators, writers ,etc).

We might look at some of the mystery religions of that culture.

I'm only discussing the possibility with those who might be interested. Perhaps we will arrive at one.

Again as you have nothing to contribute why are you responding ?
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