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Jabu Khan · 09-07-2004, 02:33 PM

I'd like to see that proof :Cheeky:

Nice Squirrel · 09-07-2004, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marduk

Read "God's Debris" by Scott Adams "Dilbert" Cartoonist.
the universe is what happened when God blew himself up and tried to see if he could re-assemble himself.

Damn. My first original thought and somebody already thought it!

Philos · 09-07-2004, 03:35 PM

Some light hearted posts, but I would like to so some philosophy. What does the omnipotence of the creator mean? Would an all powerful creator have the power to end itself? Is there a contradiction here?

Chris Weimer · 09-07-2004, 03:45 PM

Damn, if my creation had fucked up so badly like his, I'd probably commit suicide too! "God is Dead"

no_more_700_club · 09-07-2004, 03:50 PM

It would be a little hard when you are immortal (if immortality is a property of the god in question, not all gods are immortal), but I am sure he could, you know, give it a shot! :rolling:

Philos · 09-07-2004, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by breathilizer

god could do anything except for the logically impossible, like creating a square circle. if god is immortal, no he could not commit suicide.

about he being inable to commit the logically impossible, doesn't this mean that god did not create logic? if god created logic, he should be able to create it differently. if he could, then he could do the (currently) logically impossible, like creating a square circle.

This is a fundamental question in theism. If logic is prime, and God cannot 'square a circle', then what do we mean by omnipotent?

If God is prime, and could change anything, then what of our logic?

Mathematicians and logicians get very touchy about this. My feeling is that if God is indeed the first cause and prime mover, then what it has created could be annihilated, including logic.

Whether a first cause, which can create from nothing (including itself?), could destroy itself is a hard point. If it created itself from nothing, then suicide would seem to be a logical impossibility, as death would be a logical impossibility.

But that would imply that logic is prime - interesting.

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09-07-2004, 02:33 PM	#11
Jabu Khan Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: the impenetrable fortress of the bubbleheads Posts: 1,308	I'd like to see that proof :Cheeky:

09-07-2004, 03:35 PM	#13
Philos Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England Posts: 3,525	Some light hearted posts, but I would like to so some philosophy. What does the omnipotence of the creator mean? Would an all powerful creator have the power to end itself? Is there a contradiction here?

09-07-2004, 03:45 PM	#14
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Damn, if my creation had fucked up so badly like his, I'd probably commit suicide too! "God is Dead"

09-07-2004, 03:50 PM	#15
no_more_700_club Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salish Sea Posts: 1,727	It would be a little hard when you are immortal (if immortality is a property of the god in question, not all gods are immortal), but I am sure he could, you know, give it a shot! :rolling:

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