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Old 08-12-2005, 05:28 PM   #101
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Of course they didn't. You're talking about bombing Iran, a circumstance which has not occurred. I think you may be confused. The thing is, if you bonb a country, the rapists and the raped will both die. There is no argument to be made against this fact.
Very few innocents die at the hands of the US military. But the ones that do die are dying so that the vast bulk of the population can have human rights. What percentage of YOUR country would you be willing to sacrifice to ensure that women were not raped by your own government? My guess is that Australia would sacrifice 90% of our population before we handed a single woman over. Why do you think that the Iraqis aren't willing to sacrifice less than 1%? Do you think they don't care about being raped? Did you know 100,000 of them died FOR NOTHING in 1991 trying to free themselves. When the US does the liberation, FAR FEWER people die and the most important thing is THE GOOD GUYS WIN.

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So, my HIGHEST PRIORITY should NOT be:

Feeding the hungry,
This is already done, except where there is a civil war preventing aid getting through. Yes, we should end the civil wars.

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Stopping child abuse,
What's your plan for doing this, when it is already illegal?

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Stopping Thai sex slavery,
Already illegal.

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Ending Chinese prison sweat shops?
Having to work for sustenance is nothing remotely like not having a human right to not be raped.

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I could go on...

Why aren't THESE your highest priority? Why are you shirking your responsibility to protect other people? Are you a sociopath? Or are they all just non-persons to you?
I want to fix all the problems, but there is nothing better bang for buck than restoring human rights to 70 million Iranians. It is a simple matter of toppling the government and installing a democracy. As was done so easily in Afghanistan.

Go to my web site, www.antisubjugator.blogspot.com and click on the Iranian torture link on the left-hand side to see what you're turning a blind eye to. And remember, this is all happening LEGALLY. It is not illegal to chop out a dissident's eye. And have a look at my very first blog entry, and you can see a link to a woman having been beaten for not wearing a headscarf or some such. Take a good look, and remember it is all legal. Imagine not being able to report these crimes to your government because it's the government that is doing the crimes, LEGALLY.
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Old 08-13-2005, 09:54 AM   #102
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Very few innocents die at the hands of the US military. But the ones that do die are dying so that the vast bulk of the population can have human rights.
Who are you to decide who has the right to live or die?

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What percentage of YOUR country would you be willing to sacrifice to ensure that women were not raped by your own government? My guess is that Australia would sacrifice 90% of our population before we handed a single woman over. Why do you think that the Iraqis aren't willing to sacrifice less than 1%? Do you think they don't care about being raped? Did you know 100,000 of them died FOR NOTHING in 1991 trying to free themselves. When the US does the liberation, FAR FEWER people die and the most important thing is THE GOOD GUYS WIN.
I'm not going to offer anyone up for sacrifice.

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This is already done, except where there is a civil war preventing aid getting through. Yes, we should end the civil wars.
Not true.

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What's your plan for doing this, when it is already illegal?

Already illegal.
These are also illegal, internationally.

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Having to work for sustenance is nothing remotely like not having a human right to not be raped.
It's a bit more than "working." Who are you to judge the acceptable level of human suffering?

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I want to fix all the problems, but there is nothing better bang for buck than restoring human rights to 70 million Iranians. It is a simple matter of toppling the government and installing a democracy. As was done so easily in Afghanistan.
Are you in the military? Are you willing to give your life? If not, why?
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Old 08-13-2005, 01:24 PM   #103
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Who are you to decide who has the right to live or die?
As an anti-rapist, I have the right to support my fellow anti-rapists in Iraq to overthrow the rapists that are raping them. Repeat sentence for subjugators and human rights abusers.

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I'm not going to offer anyone up for sacrifice.
So if the Japanese in WWII were invading your country and bringing with them the concept of "Comfort Women", you'd just roll over and say "It's not worth dying for"? Substitute "home grown rapist" for "Japanese" and repeat the question. If the answer is different, you're racist.

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Not true.
It is true that food aid is sent to famine-stricken areas unless there's a civil war preventing aid from getting through.

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It's a bit more than "working." Who are you to judge the acceptable level of human suffering?
I'm starting with the most obvious and non-arguable fact that women have the right to not be raped. What are you doing about it? Women are being raped by their own government in Iran as we speak.

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Are you in the military? Are you willing to give your life? If not, why?
No I'm not in the military. Yes I'm willing to give my life to free Iran. But the bottleneck is not a lack of people willing to give their life. The bottleneck is people like you who pose moral equivalence between rapists and anti-rapists. And because that's where the bottleneck is, I have devoted my life to bring people like you to book.

Just how cruel did Saddam need to be to the Iraqi people before you were willing to do something about it? Go and have a look at the Iraqi torture videos on the left-hand side of www.antisubjugator.blogspot.com
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Old 08-13-2005, 06:12 PM   #104
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As an anti-rapist, I have the right to support my fellow anti-rapists in Iraq to overthrow the rapists that are raping them. Repeat sentence for subjugators and human rights abusers.
Make up your mind. Who is it that you want to attack? What is your experience with personal loss? With rape? I'm willing to bet I've more personal experience with these things than yourself. In a culture that accepts these things, a gun is just NOT going to turn things around.

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So if the Japanese in WWII were invading your country and bringing with them the concept of "Comfort Women", you'd just roll over and say "It's not worth dying for"? Substitute "home grown rapist" for "Japanese" and repeat the question. If the answer is different, you're racist.
What a bizarre, non-sequitor/false dichotomy you have presented. News Flash: Iran and Iraq are NOT invading the USA. They are NOT imposing their rules on us. If they WERE attacking us, I would personally fight to stop them, no matter what their place of origin.

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It is true that food aid is sent to famine-stricken areas unless there's a civil war preventing aid from getting through.
Children in the USA are hungry every day. There is no civil war here, I assure you.

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I'm starting with the most obvious and non-arguable fact that women have the right to not be raped.
Duh.

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What are you doing about it? Women are being raped by their own government in Iran as we speak.
I am tending my own garden. I am not asking another country to go in and fix some other country's internal strife.

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No I'm not in the military. Yes I'm willing to give my life to free Iran. But the bottleneck is not a lack of people willing to give their life. The bottleneck is people like you who pose moral equivalence between rapists and anti-rapists. And because that's where the bottleneck is, I have devoted my life to bring people like you to book.
That is the perhaps the poorest excuse of reading comprehension I have ever witnessed. I have made NO such claim. I have called YOU to book for your willingness to KILL WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN/ARE BEING RAPED at this very minute, by bombing the rapists who hold them captive. Your "devotion" is completely wasted here. Had you any actual intent to create a change, you would not be wasting your time here.

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Just how cruel did Saddam need to be to the Iraqi people before you were willing to do something about it? Go and have a look at the Iraqi torture videos on the left-hand side of www.antisubjugator.blogspot.com
I did not want the USA to invade Iraq. I felt it was a mess in which thousands of our military and their civilians would die, horribly. Hmmm...AND THAT'S WHAT HAS HAPPENED! And it's STILL HAPPENING.
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Old 08-13-2005, 06:54 PM   #105
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Make up your mind. Who is it that you want to attack? What is your experience with personal loss? With rape? I'm willing to bet I've more personal experience with these things than yourself. In a culture that accepts these things, a gun is just NOT going to turn things around.
You think the Iraqis have a culture where the rape of women is fine? You're a racist. You're also a racist for thinking that Iraqis speak with one voice.

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What a bizarre, non-sequitor/false dichotomy you have presented. News Flash: Iran and Iraq are NOT invading the USA. They are NOT imposing their rules on us. If they WERE attacking us, I would personally fight to stop them, no matter what their place of origin.
If George Bush turned military dictator and started raping your daughter, what price would you be willing to pay to have him removed from power? I'd sacrifice 90% of Australia before I handed a single woman over to a dictator. What about you? The Iraqis haven't even had to pay 1% of their population to get this, nevermind 90%. And like I said, tell me your number. What percentage are you willing to lose in order to keep Japanese/Bush-the-rapist from conquering you and raping your daughter?

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Children in the USA are hungry every day. There is no civil war here, I assure you.
Please provide me with the total number of deaths ceritified by a doctor where the cause of death is starvation. Then tell me the road toll. Then I can compare what sort of problem we're dealing with in the USA.

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I am tending my own garden. I am not asking another country to go in and fix some other country's internal strife.
You are ignoring the screams of the Iranian women being raped. You're more concerned about the rights of dogs in America than girls in Iran. You are sick and twisted.

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That is the perhaps the poorest excuse of reading comprehension I have ever witnessed. I have made NO such claim. I have called YOU to book for your willingness to KILL WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN/ARE BEING RAPED at this very minute, by bombing the rapists who hold them captive. Your "devotion" is completely wasted here. Had you any actual intent to create a change, you would not be wasting your time here.
First of all, I am NOT KILLING WOMEN, I'm only killing the rapists, or those that supported the regime that included institutionalized rape. Very few women were killed in the war. And as a result of the war, 13.5 million women were suddenly protected by their government instead of being predated on by their government.

As for wasting my time here, where would you suggest I spend my time instead? My goal is to get 90% of Europe, Australia and the US to acknowledge that ending institutionalized rape in Iraq was the most wonderful thing to have happened since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and that Iran should be liberated next. I need civilians to give permission to unleash the military. That means countering sick puppies like you.

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I did not want the USA to invade Iraq. I felt it was a mess in which thousands of our military and their civilians would die, horribly. Hmmm...AND THAT'S WHAT HAS HAPPENED! And it's STILL HAPPENING.
It liberated 27 million people from state-slavery. What price would you pay for your own country to be liberated? Stop imagining the Iraqis being some sort of sick animals that like being raped and abused. The price of Iraqi liberation was very low. And for reference, compare it to the road toll. No-one calls for the banning of cars, so why call for the banning of wars of liberation? Freedom is FAR FAR FAR more important than being able to get from A to B quicker.

Have you looked at those Iraqi torture videos yet? I want you to see what you supported. You'll have to imagine the rapes on your own though. The husbands got to see the tapes, but I haven't seen them on the internet yet.
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I did not want the USA to invade Iraq. I felt it was a mess in which thousands of our military and their civilians would die, horribly. Hmmm...AND THAT'S WHAT HAS HAPPENED! And it's STILL HAPPENING.
Also, we need to make a distinction between the 3-week war, which had 100 coalition casualties and hardly any female civilians killed, and the civil war that happened after. In a place like Iran, all you need to do is the 3-week war and put the old army back in charge. There's no need to hang around. In Iraq the situation was different - there previously used to be Sunni minority rule and they objected to the Shiite majority gaining power. Thus after the liberation, a civil war started, and we are helping the Shiite and Kurds win that war. The majority of Shiites and Kurds are happy that they are now properly represented. The Sunni still feel miffed.

But the most important point is that Iraqis don't speak with one voice. Some wanted to be freed from the holocaust while others were happy to be part of the enslavers. We have an OBLIGATION to go to the defence of our allies, the anti-holocaust Iraqis. Ignoring our allies is to betray humanity. We need to help our allies to victory in every country on the planet. You have no right to tar them all with the same brush and say that they are all just like Saddam. They're not. It's racist to think that.

Another thing you shouldn't do is put the burden of freeing Iraq on the Iraqis themselves. They tried that in 1991 and 100,000 died for absolutely nothing. When we use our militaries, a lot less people die. The US only won its revolution because of French heavy lifting, in the same way that the Northern Alliance only won in Afghanistan because of US heavy lifting. The US and allies need to do the heavy lifting for the remainder of the enslaved nations. Especially when women are being raped and screaming for our help. Stop ignoring the screams. They're your sisters. Unless you're a racist.
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Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah ... Unless you're a racist.
By the gods.
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You think institutionalized rape is something to ignore or laugh off as unimportant?
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You think institutionalized rape is something to ignore or laugh off as unimportant?
You think rational argument is something to ignore or laugh off as unimportant?
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Geez, I wish people here in Australia would stop throwing around the terms "racist/racism" willy-nilly- it really does devalue the terms. :banghead:

Sure, racism exists, but most of the claims I hear of racism in Australia are from people who disagree with people of another race over something totally unrelated("A Current Affair" and "Today, Tonight" are good at that bullshit, in their hunt for sensationalist-driven ratings cloaked as "journalism"). Disagreement between people of different races does not necessarily equal racism. Get over it!
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