HaRaAYaH

You take our books written by us, and tell us what they mean. While reading a translation.... You wouldn't know real history if it walked up introduced itself to you.

Chili

Appearances are irrelevant and there is no allegory in Logos finding existence in Being. It just means that essence precedes existence according the Intelligent Design wherein we find our existence in coming full circle to arrive at the place we first started and know it for the first time = know who we are.

The "we" in "God said" are the words (or collective words) wherein son of man is isolated and is identified as God after the image created by his own words. Man here is plural as man in the species created by God, but is identified as Yahweh (Lord God) after he finds himself in his own divine image (or einai of which there is no plural in Greek) . . . and this is only divine because he never knew who he was during his first time around (also known as his journey outside of Eden as human while in oblivion with hyletic vision and so in oblivion).

There is no such thing as the Holy Spirit in nature or evil would be real and darkness would prevail in heaven and so heaven would not be real in the plural . . . one for each Logos-made-man in the image of God according to his own intelligent design (einai again) . . . while there is only one earth where 'this' was done outside of Eden where it is consecrated and so set apart as an ideal to be added and retained so we can have dominion in a heaven of our own. The "this" here is our contribution (ousia's) that was set aside to be retained and be raised to our heaven (parousia) and it is so that we are 'fruitful' and have richess in this heaven of our own. Note that to be fruitful and have dominion has nothing to do with having children and taming lions or fighting bulls.

Being-ness pertains to ousia as the ground [cause] of parousai that [already] is in being as man, which then is the sum-total raised as man in the transition of human to man. In the simplest form it is our human-ity raised to man with no -ity attached (einai/God is singular).

spin

We, you and they are irrelevant. History is based on evidence, not tradition. There is nothing verifiable about tradition.

A 'Jewish POV' is not evidence. Besides, no-one can speak for the whole unless they are sure they represent the whole and I don't see how you can be sure.

How are angels any different from minor gods? Isn't the notion of angels a Zoroastrian innovation specifically for sublimating deities, a notion available to exiles in Babylon from the time of Cyrus? A frog by any other name would still croak.

One of the early midrashes on creation is Prov 8:22-31, in which Wisdom (חכמה) explains that when god established the heavens, she was there, the JPS says, "as a confidant".


spin

Joan of Bark

Whatever the explanation, it needs to explain why "us" is only used in this instance by YHWH.

(whoops, I now notice that He uses the same pronoun in the story of the Tower of Babel).

John Kesler

And in the Garden-of-Eden story of Genesis 3:

spamandham

You helped write them did you? If not, then merely being Jewish does not give you any special insights into the history they reflect. IMHO, being Jewish, Muslim, or Christian probably creates difficulties rather than aiding the investigation.

Chili

The "us" is my "we" as the collective words of the Idealist speaking.

Joan of Bark

I've read that argument before. But again I ask, why is "us" used only in limited instances?

Chili

Because God has no exictence of being but is the essence of being. God here is generic in mankind to be manifest in the flesh by Lord God = the word made flesh. Here then, a distinction must be made between God and Lord God.

God is first cause, Lord God is second cause, and like god is third cause = Gen 1, 2 and 3.. Like god is hu-man while in oblivion and so 'realization' will convert 'like god' into 'Lord God' when the ego goes 'poof'. The question is "how" and that is where a mystery religion is needed.

You can say that God represents that which all humans have in common = peace on earth and good will to all men (because at heart we all can be friends and that tendency prevails among mankind). Philia then, is also an extraction of agape, which is God.

Mindsword

http://www.vureel.com/video/4313/Anc...ns-Documentary