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MrDarwin · 09-25-2003, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Because God is there. To us, that makes it the best place imaginable. With God, face to face whenever we want.

But I thought God was everywhere. Are you saying that God isn't omnipresent?

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And where else is God gonna send "criminals"? Oblivion isn't justice.

Thanks, I keep forgetting that Christians value "justice" over mercy.

Magus55 · 09-25-2003, 12:39 PM

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Until we discover a god, afterlife is irrelevant. There doesn't have to be any heaven. We're still discussing it though.

When discussing the accomodations that a supreme being(s) has provided for us upon our worldy demise, I don't find it irrelevant or outlandish to question whether or not intelligent ET would be there. We are, after all, already making one bold assumption.

But it's not a big deal. Just trying to offer a new possibility.

Well, intelligent ET don't really have any thing to do with an afterlife unless you're a Raelian.

Demigawd · 09-25-2003, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
We have discovered God.

Which god? Oh, and where's the evidence you can provide, other than a very subjective, culture-defined warm fuzzy?

2000gb · 09-25-2003, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
We have discovered God.

and he is us.

(couldn't resist, hi Magus, from an old RR buddy).

Queen of Swords · 09-25-2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Magus55
I never said you can't sin in Heaven, I said we won't.

Why won't we? If Satan could sin in heaven, what makes us so different?

Magus55 · 09-25-2003, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by MrDarwin
But I thought God was everywhere. Are you saying that God isn't omnipresent?

God is everywhere, but we can't see Him. In Heaven, we will see Him in all His Glory.

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Thanks, I keep forgetting that Christians value "justice" over mercy.

We value both. God offered us mercy through Jesus Christ. Those who don't accept God's mercy, face justice.

Magus55 · 09-25-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by QueenofSwords
Originally posted by Magus55
I never said you can't sin in Heaven, I said we won't.

Why won't we? If Satan could sin in heaven, what makes us so different?

We've lived through the consequences of sin, and know the pain and suffering it causes. Why would you want to live through that again?

Queen of Swords · 09-25-2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Magus55
No one said you can't. The question is, why would you want to?

Simple boredom after countless millenia of wearing the same white robe and singing the same song of praise over and over ad insanitum?

And no clue what happens if you do sin in Heaven. It may be that those in Heaven chose never to want to sin again by accepting Jesus as their savior,

Do aborted or miscarried fetuses accept Jesus as their savior? If not, do they go to heaven anyway?

Stew · 09-25-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55

We value both. God offered us mercy through Jesus Christ. Those who don't accept God's mercy, face justice.

And again:

Infinite punishment for finite transgression is not justice...

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Queen of Swords · 09-25-2003, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Magus55
We've lived through the consequences of sin, and know the pain and suffering it causes.

We have? So an aborted fetus, a Native American who died before Jesus was born, and I - we all have the same experiences of sin, do we?

Why would you want to live through that again?

<Calvin's dad>Suffering builds character</Calvin's dad>

09-25-2003, 12:46 PM	#48
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions about heaven Originally posted by Magus55 No one said you can't. The question is, why would you want to? Simple boredom after countless millenia of wearing the same white robe and singing the same song of praise over and over ad insanitum? And no clue what happens if you do sin in Heaven. It may be that those in Heaven chose never to want to sin again by accepting Jesus as their savior, Do aborted or miscarried fetuses accept Jesus as their savior? If not, do they go to heaven anyway?

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09-25-2003, 12:41 PM	#45
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Magus55 I never said you can't sin in Heaven, I said we won't. Why won't we? If Satan could sin in heaven, what makes us so different?

09-25-2003, 12:50 PM	#50
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Magus55 We've lived through the consequences of sin, and know the pain and suffering it causes. We have? So an aborted fetus, a Native American who died before Jesus was born, and I - we all have the same experiences of sin, do we? Why would you want to live through that again? <Calvin's dad>Suffering builds character</Calvin's dad>

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