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Sheshbazzar · 12-06-2008, 04:15 PM

Child, only you can make the efforts necessary to improve your understanding and improve your communication skills.
You are welcome here, you just need to take the time to familiarise yourself with the territory, and with the Forum's rules, what they mean and how they apply.
Take heart child, buck up, and stand upright, don't let your own humility, or a perception that anyone else thinks that you are lacking in sense be a stumbling block.
A lack of sense has never interfered nor prevented us denizens of these forums from posting our nonsense, so you will never be in a minority here.

I encourage you truth_child, if you truly desire knowledge, and want that understanding that brings wisdom, to hang around, as there is no better training ground to be found.

Chili · 12-06-2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

I encourage you truth_child, if you truly desire knowledge, and want that understanding that brings wisdom, to hang around, as there is no better training ground to be found.

Ever so true my friend and you always were a gentleman with a heart of gold.

Sheshbazzar · 12-06-2008, 06:18 PM

Your kind endorsement is appreciated in turn.
It is my perception, that although much squabbling, disparaging and sniping does go on within these pages, we are all none the less one family of diverse members, whom in a sense, and by individual choice, are linked hand in hand in our dance around the same fire.
No man joins against his will, and no man is ever to be driven away against his will.
We are here because we do care for the welfare of one another.
This is my perception, none need share it, nor subscribe to it unless they wish.
Thanks my friend.

Sheshbazzar · 12-06-2008, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spin

Let me stress that what I'm looking at is the tradition seen in the textual evidence.

It is clear that the source of both Matthew and Luke had "after three days" and that has been changed in the later gospels.

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      Mark                      Matthew              Luke
8:31  after three days   16:21  on the third day   9:22  on the third day
9:31  after three days¹  17:23  on the third day   9:44  --
10:34 after three days   20:19  on the third day   18:33 on the third day

¹ This has been corrected in the Byzantine tradition to "on the third day".

This is evidence that the wording "on the third day" (th trith hmera & var.) is the preferred post-Marcan form in the evolving gospel tradition. Mark indicates that "after three days" was the received form. Matthew and Luke shows that there was a change in preferred form.

spin

I agree

Chili · 12-06-2008, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Your kind endorsement is appreciated in turn.
It is my perception, that although much squabbling, disparaging and sniping does go on within these pages, we are all none the less one family of diverse members, whom in a sense, and by individual choice, are linked hand in hand in our dance around the same fire.
No man joins against his will, and no man is ever to be driven away against his will.
We are here because we do care for the welfare of one another.
This is my perception, none need share it, nor subscribe to it unless they wish.
Thanks my friend.

Nicely put and eloquent as ever.

Around here we would just say, 'you plow your field and I plow mine.'

Sheshbazzar · 12-06-2008, 09:58 PM

And sow each man his field with what manner of seed he will, when the crops come in, set down at one table and partake of that Harvest bounty.
And if any mans crop should for any reason fail, yet through the provision of his good friends and neighbors, yet shall he celebrate and eat to the fullest, rejoicing all the more.

Sheshbazzar · 12-06-2008, 10:07 PM

I see that I've finally attained my first 1260 posts, a landmark to me; Yep, "time, times, and a half of time" Good, very good, that it was on such an agreeable note,

Time for me to have a small celebration.

Cheers ye all!

Sheshbazzar · 12-06-2008, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spin

Let me stress that what I'm looking at is the tradition seen in the textual evidence.

It is clear that the source of both Matthew and Luke had "after three days" and that has been changed in the later gospels.

This is evidence that the wording "on the third day" (th trith hmera & var.) is the preferred post-Marcan form in the evolving gospel tradition. Mark indicates that "after three days" was the received form. Matthew and Luke shows that there was a change in preferred form.
spin

And is there a difference between "on the third day" and "after the third day"? Does it make any difference in interpreting the text?
If something occurs "after the third day" what day does it occur on? ?? ???
time, times,....

rlogan · 12-07-2008, 12:21 AM

Interesting.

There are some articles based on a previous jewish tradition appearing in Hazon Gabriel. (Dead Sea Tablet)

"In three days you shall live"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle4295804.ece

“By Three Days, Live” (Original article):

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/525562

Lugubert · 12-07-2008, 05:37 AM

Twoscore posts but one, and nobody has yet mentioned the irritating fact that "the third day" means Tuesday in Greek, Hebrew and Arabic

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12-06-2008, 04:15 PM	#31
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Child, only you can make the efforts necessary to improve your understanding and improve your communication skills. You are welcome here, you just need to take the time to familiarise yourself with the territory, and with the Forum's rules, what they mean and how they apply. Take heart child, buck up, and stand upright, don't let your own humility, or a perception that anyone else thinks that you are lacking in sense be a stumbling block. A lack of sense has never interfered nor prevented us denizens of these forums from posting our nonsense, so you will never be in a minority here. I encourage you truth_child, if you truly desire knowledge, and want that understanding that brings wisdom, to hang around, as there is no better training ground to be found.

12-06-2008, 06:18 PM	#33
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Your kind endorsement is appreciated in turn. It is my perception, that although much squabbling, disparaging and sniping does go on within these pages, we are all none the less one family of diverse members, whom in a sense, and by individual choice, are linked hand in hand in our dance around the same fire. No man joins against his will, and no man is ever to be driven away against his will. We are here because we do care for the welfare of one another. This is my perception, none need share it, nor subscribe to it unless they wish. Thanks my friend.

12-06-2008, 09:58 PM	#36
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	And sow each man his field with what manner of seed he will, when the crops come in, set down at one table and partake of that Harvest bounty. And if any mans crop should for any reason fail, yet through the provision of his good friends and neighbors, yet shall he celebrate and eat to the fullest, rejoicing all the more.

12-06-2008, 10:07 PM	#37
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	I see that I've finally attained my first 1260 posts, a landmark to me; Yep, "time, times, and a half of time" Good, very good, that it was on such an agreeable note, Time for me to have a small celebration. Cheers ye all!

12-07-2008, 12:21 AM	#39
rlogan Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,159	Interesting. There are some articles based on a previous jewish tradition appearing in Hazon Gabriel. (Dead Sea Tablet) "In three days you shall live" http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle4295804.ece “By Three Days, Live” (Original article): http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/525562

12-07-2008, 05:37 AM	#40
Lugubert Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Western Sweden Posts: 3,684	Twoscore posts but one, and nobody has yet mentioned the irritating fact that "the third day" means Tuesday in Greek, Hebrew and Arabic

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