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Old 10-26-2003, 12:50 AM   #91
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>>Erased from memory and from post King Rat�s silly comment <<

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Oh, some authentic archeological data would be nice. IOW, NOT the shroud of Turin, NOT the fake ossuary, NOT fake pieces of the cross, NOT the holy grail, NOT the hundreds of other hoaxes xians seem to love perpetrating on each other.
There is plenty of archeological and historical evidence to support the Bible�s authenticity but if you are asking for every single event within the pages to be accounted for by archeology (and this is why many criticize it) this I am afraid you will not find. But of those discoveries that are known, they line up with and authenticate the Biblical text. I can name some here if you like. I will just take the initiative, knowing that you will dismiss them anyway, and list some: Caiaphas tomb south of the old city of Jerusalem, Tomb of Caesar Augustus mausoleum in Rome, The east gate of Schechem where the forces of Abimelech approached city, Jacob�s well, Pool of Gibeon, The theatre of Ephesus. These are by far not all of the archeological discoveries.

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I have no faith, how many times must I say it to you? I've given you a challenge, a challenge that an omnipotent god should find unremarkable and simple.
Do you make plans King Rat? Then what do you base your plans on other that you have faith you will get to carry them out. You exercise faith every single day based on the reality you find yourself in

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That, HD, is self evident. Forgive me for stating the obvious.
I was referring to saving an individual from the clutches of hell and before prejudging what I have just written. There is a hell. But there is a heaven also. Heaven would be a nice place to meet you King Rat. Jesus loves you. This is what you see as being impotent. The sentence: Jesus Loves you. What about this sentence don�t you like? What is so threatening? What is inside your mind and heart for that matter, knowing how Jesus died, when you read the sentence: Jesus loves you? Why do you not believe He was and is God? Is it a case of not believing He lived at all? What keeps you from grasping this simple truth: Jesus loves you? Is it not intellectually stimulating enough for you?
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Wow, you really can't remember what you wrote�
Actually it was not a question of not remembering just that you were not specific. I wrote a lot of things on this thread and other threads here

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That is the nonsensical fifth option that your proposed. HD, you cannot post something like that and claim it sensible without some sort of data to back it up. Without data it is an empty, frivolous, Hallmark card assertion. I find it eminently frustrating that you are incapable of keeping track of what you say.
King Rat I do not have to back it up. As I stated that it was my 2 cents therefore the meaning behind this statement was that it was my opinion. Now if I stated something like it was a fact or something, yes backing would be needed if asked. I find it unnerving and callous that you would even suggest that my opinion is an empty, frivolous, Hallmark card assertion. Have I ever accused you of something so diabolical? Well? I stated it in that manner because music may not be the primary way in which God would want this individual to give Him glory but music is something this person is gifted with and there have been many who convert and then use music to further God�s work. I can think of one right now: Al Green.

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Music is my gift to you. You can try to spin that as selfish if you desire. You are not the OP, but you tried to fortify the OP's foundation of sand.
If I heard you play and you stated this is my gift to you, I would thank you for the beautiful music. There is nothing wrong with you saying that �This music is for you� Let me ask you what is the purpose in music in terms of evolution? You do believe in Evolution don�t you?

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On the contrary, I find my life of love to be full, satisfying, and it bears a multitude of fruits. I could care less if love is a chemical process, it does not diminish it's profound effects upon my life. Why must everything be mystical and inexplicable in order to have value for xians?
Your above answer sounds like elevator music.

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The only thing that satisfies me is your belated recognition of at least one fact. One has to start somewhere, so I'll take what I can get.
How did I know you would take the bait? I have been on these boards for a long long long time.

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I give words of encouragemet and compliments all the time. They are more along the lines of:

"All your hard work paid off."
"You are a freakin' machine."
"You are the most beautiful thing I've ever seen."
etc.

I hate diminishing anyones efforts by ascribing said efforts to an imaginary deity. To do so, gives credit where it is not due.
There is nothing wrong with giving credit where credit is due. And also there is nothing wrong with thanking God for the gift of the person and their work.

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I apologize freely to those I have wronged.
I am glad to hear that as it makes the world a nicer place to live in.

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I won't even touch this one. It is not up to me to explain your place in the world, your qualifications, your rights, etc. I do however find your comments to be profoundly sad.
I can understand your sadness. Females are the superior sex.

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Witness schmitness... My critical examination of the babble is why I am an atheist. Physician, heal thyself�
You know what King Rat�you are like a pussy cat in comparison to some atheists I have come across. The Bible is not babble. Tell me some of the things you object to. Without being concise and exact I know nothing of what you go on about�.

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HD, I've enjoyed our lightweight little spar, but I also know an exercise in futility when I see one. Besides I have never talked to anyone so willing to denigrate themselves. Why should I examine you when you won't even examine yourself?
Is that what you see? Denigration? King Rat I do not think you know me. I always have two choices on message boards such as this one. The first choice is to mimic an atheist in my reply. The second choice is to be articulate and demonstrate the art of true love for another brother or sister. Sometimes I slip and mimic. But most times I choose the higher ground. Now do you know which one I choose?

God, bless King Rat!
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Old 10-27-2003, 02:46 AM   #92
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Although intended for King Rat, I couldn't resist responding. Anything to take a break from marking.
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There is plenty of archeological and historical evidence to support the Bible�s authenticity but if you are asking for every single event within the pages to be accounted for by archeology (and this is why many criticize it) this I am afraid you will not find. But of those discoveries that are known, they line up with and authenticate the Biblical text. I can name some here if you like. I will just take the initiative, knowing that you will dismiss them anyway, and list some: Caiaphas tomb south of the old city of Jerusalem, Tomb of Caesar Augustus mausoleum in Rome, The east gate of Schechem where the forces of Abimelech approached city, Jacob�s well, Pool of Gibeon, The theatre of Ephesus. These are by far not all of the archeological discoveries.
If they are that easy to verify, how's about you show us the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah then? After that, you can show us the location of the Tower of Babel and even the Garden of Eden.
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Do you make plans King Rat? Then what do you base your plans on other that you have faith you will get to carry them out. You exercise faith every single day based on the reality you find yourself in
"Faith" based upon repeated empirical experience can in no way be compared to faith in an invisible sugar daddy. I have "faith" that I will wake up in the morning only because I have managed to do so every day so far. I know I won't one day, but until then I expect I will. I also have "faith" that my light will turn on every time I flip the switch. Again, the millions of times I have flipped switches lights have usually turned on. It is therefore a logical expectation for a light to illuminate itself when an electrical current passes through it. If it doesn't, I first check to see if the bulb is burnt out, if that doesn't work then I'll try something else.
These in no way can compare to your form of faith in a higher being who lacks any and all substance or any form of evidence. You might as well try to explain to me why you do not belive in Gravity Elves or the IPU (PBUH).
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I was referring to saving an individual from the clutches of hell and before prejudging what I have just written. There is a hell. But there is a heaven also. Heaven would be a nice place to meet you King Rat. Jesus loves you. This is what you see as being impotent. The sentence: Jesus Loves you. What about this sentence don�t you like? What is so threatening? What is inside your mind and heart for that matter, knowing how Jesus died, when you read the sentence: Jesus loves you? Why do you not believe He was and is God? Is it a case of not believing He lived at all? What keeps you from grasping this simple truth: Jesus loves you? Is it not intellectually stimulating enough for you?
What is offensive is seeing you repeatedly tell an atheist that someone whom is unlikely to have ever existed and certainly does not possess godhood loves them as if it were a fact. Certainly, you see it as a fact but most people here are free from such delusions. Dogmatic assertions are repugnant and are deservedly treated so.
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If I heard you play and you stated this is my gift to you, I would thank you for the beautiful music. There is nothing wrong with you saying that �This music is for you� Let me ask you what is the purpose in music in terms of evolution? You do believe in Evolution don�t you?
Music is to evolution as carburator is to wasabi.
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There is nothing wrong with giving credit where credit is due. And also there is nothing wrong with thanking God for the gift of the person and their work.
Yes there is. Thanking god takes away from the hard work of the individual. The credit solely resides with the individual. No god needed or wanted.
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I can understand your sadness. Females are the superior sex.
Make up your mind. You were earlier suggesting that females were inferior. *looks around* Where did that damn goalpost go?
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Is that what you see? Denigration? King Rat I do not think you know me. I always have two choices on message boards such as this one. The first choice is to mimic an atheist in my reply. The second choice is to be articulate and demonstrate the art of true love for another brother or sister. Sometimes I slip and mimic. But most times I choose the higher ground. Now do you know which one I choose?
I certainly hope this was intentionally denigrating. If not, I think I can be insulted enough by this for most people that may consider responding.
This is a false dichotomy. You either "stoop to the level of the *gasp* atheist", or you "take the high road of the True Christian (TM)" right?
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Thanks for fielding HD's entirely predictable responses Godot. you answered quite similarly to what I would have.

If she would ever respond with substance I would stick around. But, as is evidenced by her many other insubstantial posts elsewhere, that is not likely. I also cannot get over her "weaker sex" comment. Based on that, I see no way to find common ground.

She did seem pretty upset that I was happy and my life was going well, I wonder why?
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Thanks for fielding HD's entirely predictable responses Godot. you answered quite similarly to what I would have.
King Rat I have the book 'Darwin's Dangerous Idea' by Daniel C. Dennett' (I also have several other books including Origin of the Species'). The book by Dennett mentions love very scantily on one page and is silent on music. I can understand why this would be. But you nor Godot has given me from evolutionary stand point the purpose of love or music.

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If she would ever respond with substance I would stick around. But, as is evidenced by her many other insubstantial posts elsewhere, that is not likely. I also cannot get over her "weaker sex" comment. Based on that, I see no way to find common ground.
The substance of my posts are not what is in question King Rat and you are speaking about me in third person. I am right here. See me-------> O so because I like to be respected and you don't want to give respect well we have nothing incommon. Can't show a Christian respect. We are back to that 'holier than thou stance'

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She did seem pretty upset that I was happy and my life was going well, I wonder why?


If your life is going well King Rat. I am happy for you. Then you have no need to converse with me. Matter of fact why do you need to come here at all. If your life is peachy no need for these people to validate it.
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p.s. King Rat do you like fried chicken?
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I refuse to be baited HD.

You can ask me about fried chicken on a new thread.
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I refuse to be baited HD.

You can ask me about fried chicken on a new thread.
This is too cute King Rat.

I can tell from your response that my posts do have sustenance. (substance that is) At least one does.

p.s Do you suggest I start a fried chicken thread?
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If your life is going well King Rat. I am happy for you. Then you have no need to converse with me. Matter of fact why do you need to come here at all. If your life is peachy no need for these people to validate it.
Do you come here to have your life validated, hd?

If not then maybe King Rat doesn't come here for that reason either!

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Do you come here to have your life validated, hd?

If not then maybe King Rat doesn't come here for that reason either!

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O helen are you trying to pick a fight? Thinking of cooking some fried chicken yourself? Please King Rat is of no consequence to me. I just was responding to his lame posts that's all. Please I have no claim.....

I was laughing as I wrote this Helen.
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O helen are you trying to pick a fight?
No, just pointing out that you seemed to be making an unwarranted assumption...

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Thinking of cooking some fried chicken yourself?
I don't know how...I probably won't learn because I try to avoid deep-fried food

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Please King Rat is of no consequence to me. I just was responding to his lame posts that's all.
Ah but this is a discussion board where anyone can comment on anything written

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Please I have no claim.....

I was laughing as I wrote this Helen.
Ok, whatever...

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