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dog-on · 11-29-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Gibson

By the way, very few NT scholars who deal with Matt 1-2//Lk 1-2 speak of a virgin birth. They speak of a virginal conception.

Jeffrey

Is this is similar to the Mormon view, in which Heavenly father actually tags that ass?

Dogfish · 11-29-2007, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dog-on

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Gibson

By the way, very few NT scholars who deal with Matt 1-2//Lk 1-2 speak of a virgin birth. They speak of a virginal conception.

Jeffrey

Is this is similar to the Mormon view, in which Heavenly father actually tags that ass?

Maybe he means Joseph "broke off a piece a dat" after the angel got to her.

andrewcriddle · 11-30-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Will the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury do? I would define them as xian scholars? And virgin birth is surely a result of a virgin conception is it not?

"virgin birth" is potentially confusing because it could refer to the teaching in some Christian traditions that Mary was still physically a virgin after the birth of Jesus.

"virginal conception" avoids this issue.

Andrew Criddle

Clivedurdle · 11-30-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Will the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury do? I would define them as xian scholars? And virgin birth is surely a result of a virgin conception is it not?

"virgin birth" is potentially confusing because it could refer to the teaching in some Christian traditions that Mary was still physically a virgin after the birth of Jesus.

"virginal conception" avoids this issue.

Andrew Criddle

That sounds reasonable but is it not actually digging a deeper hole? The idea of continuing virginity is related to ideas that if a woman is to give birth to a god she must also be like a god - leading to a whole huge area of doctrines like mother of god and immaculate conception of Mary. The alleged solution of virginal conception is not actually a solution - it is only trying to make something that is completely unreal look a little less unreal...

And I would rather we looked at the comment from the CofE website I quoted above and my interpretation of this that:

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Stating Jesus is historical is in fact a statement of faith

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