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Old 02-24-2004, 01:22 PM   #51
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Or has he heard of King Arthur? Or Robin Hood? Or Odysseus or Gilgamesh?
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Old 02-24-2004, 01:38 PM   #52
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How many times must we repeat this: the Apostles are part of the story, and don't count as witnesses. They were written in to provide an audience. We have no real way of knowing if they ever existed, what they believed, or what they saw.

The Gospels were not written by eyewitnesses, they were written decades later and given the names of apostles to lend authority to them.
How do you know they ALL weren't eyewitnesses? Being written decades later means nothing. And by the same double standard, you have no way of knowing whether Columbus, Napolean or Cleopatra existed yet almost all historians believe they did ( despite the fact that almost all historians believe Jesus and the Apostles existed also).
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I'm sorry Magus, but I've got to ask: have you ever heard of David Koresh?
Yes I have. What do the Branch Davidians have to do with anything?
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Yes I have. What do the Branch Davidians have to do with anything?
To show you the folly of your statement "why would they believe the ramblings of some man, if He did nothing to actually convince the apostles of what they were supposedly on to? Why would you believe a man claiming to be God, and make up miracles because He couldn't actually do it?", obviously.
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How do you know they ALL weren't eyewitnesses? Being written decades later means nothing. And by the same double standard, you have no way of knowing whether Columbus, Napolean or Cleopatra existed yet almost all historians believe they did ( despite the fact that almost all historians believe Jesus and the Apostles existed also).
Magus, buddy, how do you know that Homer didn't actually see the goddess Diana do the things claimed in The Iliad ?

I think Jesus and the apostles likely DID exist. So what? I have no sound evidence that any apostles wrote anything for posterity, and this Jesus, despite being the supposed "son of God", didn't have the foresight to write anything down. Oddly enough, he didn't even have the foresight to tell any apostles to write anything down!
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To show you the folly of your statement "why would they believe the ramblings of some man, if He did nothing to actually convince the apostles of what they were supposedly on to? Why would you believe a man claiming to be God, and make up miracles because He couldn't actually do it?", obviously.
Because of course, being locked in a warehouse against your will had nothing to do with their willingness to follow him...
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Magus, this is totally uncalled for and inappropriate, and I've thus reported this post to the moderators.

You might want to beat them to it and remove the objectionable post yourself.
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Magus, buddy, how do you know that Homer didn't actually see the goddess Diana do the things claimed in The Iliad ?

I think Jesus and the apostles likely DID exist. So what? I have no sound evidence that any apostles wrote anything for posterity, and this Jesus, despite being the supposed "son of God", didn't have the foresight to write anything down. Oddly enough, he didn't even have the foresight to tell any apostles to write anything down!
Oral tradition was more authentic in those days that writing ( on top of the fact the majority of people couldn't read or write). These days, everything has to be in writing to be valid. Different time, different culture.
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