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11-04-2003, 05:58 PM | #21 |
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The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity by Hyam Maccoby. That's the Amazon link, but you local Barns and Noble probably has a remainded copy for about half that price.
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Mageth summed up my replies nicely. And there is no proof even Paul suffered any, other than his own words.
I still say he found an easy way to make a living and used it to sponge off people. Much like evangelists today. |
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Where is there any great disparity between the teachings of Paul and the teachings of Jesus? They approached their subject in different ways but their ethics are very similar. Of course, Jesus seems to preach a salvation by works in the synoptics, but even there it seems to be more a state of consciousness he is advocating more than individual deeds. And in the Fourth Gospel he claims to be the way to salvation just a Paul preaches.
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Paul, however, is an apostle to the gentiles who disparages the law (especially circumcision and the dietary laws.) Their ethics were similar to Greco-Roman ethical ideas of the time. |
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This is a topic I love to speculate about, and I think it's very likely that Paul co-opted Christianity, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a lot of concrete information about exactly how that happened.
Here's a few things... "First and foremost, I handed on to you the tradition I had received: that Christ died for our sins, in accordance with the scriptures; that he was buried; that he was raised to life on the third day, in accordance with the scriptures; and that he appeared to Cephas, and afterwards to the Twelve. Then he appeared to over five hundred of our brothers at once, most of whom are still alive, though some have died. Then he appeared to James, and afterwards to all the apostles. Last of all he appeared to me too; it was like a sudden, abnormal birth." 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 Somebody above mentioned that Paul may have invented Jesus completely. This seems unlikely since Paul here talks about Peter and James and others knowing Jesus also. One thing I think is significant is that it does not appear to me that this matches the Gospels+Acts account of the post-resurrection appearances, where the Twelve and various other people saw the bodily resurrected Jesus and then much later in an unconnected event, Paul had a vision of Jesus. This brief account seems to indicate that Jesus appeared to Paul in the same manner he appeared to the others. Of course it's not clear enough to be sure. As usual Paul says nothing about the life of Jesus, which of course makes one speculate that Paul did not conceive of Jesus as an earthly person. It certainly seems strange to me that the NT is dominated by someone who didn't know Jesus in life, while there are no books from any of the many people who supposedly did (unless you buy 1 or 2 Peter or James or something...) Paul mentions disagreements with Peter and James. Galatians 2:11-14 How is it that someone who didn't even know Jesus knows more about what Jesus would want than those who did? Quote:
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I've seen information in the past though, that there isn't any more evidence that Peter even existed than there is for Jesus existing.
I still think Paul invented Jesus. |
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