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Old 12-11-2006, 07:03 PM   #21
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As far as I am aware, all supposed Roman-government letters dating to the first century mentioning Jesus are fakes.

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So if Malachi's line of questioning and research were to be extended
to the second century, we have another series of Roman-government
letters (and other issues) which relate, not to Jesus, but to the
purportedly existent religion "christianity".

I have attempted to create an index of these letters here

My question is, are all supposed Roman-government letters dating
to the second century mentioning "christians" fakes also?




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My question is, are all supposed Roman-government letters dating to the second century mentioning "christians" fakes also?
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The story of Abgar of Edessa is linked with a celebrated image of the Christ, known as the Mandylion of Edessa :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_of_Edessa

The "letter of Publius Lentulus to the Senate" describes exactly the Mandylion !

About Publius Lentulus :

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09154a.htm

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The correspondence with Agbar, while almost certainly not genuine, is at least genuinely ancient. I do not think the Archko Volume has even that going for it.

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What's interesting is that somebody at that time would indulge in such a fabrication. The immediate agenda appears to be to shore up the Jesus narrative. But it could just as easily be the opposite: an attempt to authorize a Adbar narrative by attempting to slip it into the narrative of Jesus at a time when Christianity was perceived to be on the ascendancy.
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What's interesting is that somebody at that time would indulge in such a fabrication. The immediate agenda appears to be to shore up the Jesus narrative. But it could just as easily be the opposite: an attempt to authorize a Adbar narrative by attempting to slip it into the narrative of Jesus at a time when Christianity was perceived to be on the ascendancy.
Where was it written, and by whom?

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When giving my JM presentation last night I got this same question for the second time. Someone said that their copy of the Bible has a letter in the back that is supposed to be from some Roman that exactly describes Jesus and that it was written by a Roman that talked to him while he was alive, etc.
Hi Malachi,

The answer is so obvious that we couldn't see it, it was "right under our nose."
They are referring to 1 Peter. :rolling:

Yep, it is in "the back of the Bible." Based on the identification of Rome and Babylon (1 Peter 5:13), many commentaries imagine that 1 Peter was written from Rome.

Your questioners probably had in mind "and a witness of the sufferings of Christ" (1 Peter 5:1), and possibly conflated it with 2 Peter 1:16-18.

And the "some Roman" is St. Peter, who indeed is alleged to have know Jesus besides which in the Catholic tradition was first Pope of Rome.

So all you have to do is be prepared to show that 1 and 2 Peter are pseudonymous works.

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