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Old 01-16-2007, 08:29 PM   #11
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Now, that's just clearly ridiculous. Do you know how long the extension cord would have been?
Ah yes, but archaelogical evidence shows no signs of cords. Therefore they must have used cordless drills.
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Your trying to make sense of scriptures? I've got better things to do like kinky flash games or watch monkeys drink their urine.
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Does this mean that skyscrapers are verboten?
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Does this mean that skyscrapers are verboten?
Wait till we start building the space elevator...
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Wait till we start building the space elevator...
Why bother? I've seen the anime and movies: Sooner or later it always explodes spectacularly.
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"1": And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
"2": And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
"3": And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar.
"4": And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
The people came from the East and built a city. “Whose top may reach unto heaven” refers to the building of ziggurats. The three stairways are accesses to the sacred areas of the priests, and it was believed that the priests communicated directly with the gods in heaven. In Mesopotamia, the priests were the leaders of the people, so therefore they were the ones who directed the people and gave them directions and purpose. “Let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth” The identification of us by name regards the stating that they are all one people.

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"5": And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men built.
"6": And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
"7": Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
"8": So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
"9": Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
The builders of Babel believed that they could unite all the people that came with them from the East and develop their city, and their tower. The problem with this belief is that people have different points of view and different ambitions for themselves. Like every utopian system it failed because it was under the impression that everyone wants the same thing.

The Tower of Babel is a metaphor for the inability of man to unite together as one and unlock their full potential.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:06 AM   #17
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The Tower of Babel is a metaphor for the inability of man to unite together as one and unlock their full potential.
That's certainly one way to look at it. It's not the only possible interpretation. It could be any of the following, each of which has an equal claim to your assertion:
  • Bronze-age people may have believed it actually happened exactly as described
  • It could simply be a story someone made up to explain why not everyone speaks the same language
  • It's possible that certain elements of the story did in fact happen: A community began building this tower and perhaps they were invaded by people who spoke a different language. The story evolved over time into its current form.
These are just off the top of my head. I'm sure others could easily add plausible origin/interpretations to this list.
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The Tower of Babel is a metaphor for the inability of man to unite together as one and unlock their full potential.
I.e. no communism?
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The builders of Babel believed that they could unite all the people that came with them from the East and develop their city, and their tower. The problem with this belief is that people have different points of view and different ambitions for themselves. Like every utopian system it failed because it was under the impression that everyone wants the same thing.
That's an interesting view, however, it's nto what the text says. The text does not say that Babel failed because their leaders did not take into account variety of viewpoint. Indeed, there is no hint anywhere in the text of any dissension or difference of points of view among the people who came from the East.

Rather, the text says that Babel failed because the LORD directly intervened to stop it succeeding. In other words, it was not the failure of human utopianism, but divine intervention, that foiled Babel's plans.
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Isn't it also true that Babel, literally translated, means "confused"? That alone suggests the story was apocryphal.

How do Apologists account for God being alarmed at a tower several hundred feet tall, several thousand years ago, but not by towers several thousand feet tall today? In conjunction with their belief that God is unchanging?

It seems a very tall order (excuse pun).

The existance of modern skyscrapers also prove that God's attempt to foil our grand designs was a miserable failure. Did He not anticipate that we would quickly learn to communicate across language barriers?
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