Jack the Bodiless

No, it isn't. There are two explanations here: Genesis, and a combination of local floods and plate tectonics (for the marine fossils). We can study more EVIDENCE to see which one is correct.

...Whereupon Genesis loses.

The Evolution/Creation forum is the place to debate this further.
You seem to have forgotten that you LOST that debate.

...Though I'd like to see what your buddy Hydarnes has to say on that topic. Hydarnes: Willowtree has suggested that YHWH magically poofed the Great Pyramid into existence in the middle of Egypt's Old Kingdom (for reasons that frankly don't stand up), but the Egyptians didn't consider this sufficiently noteworthy to mention in the records that YOU claim to be an expert on. Would you care to comment on that?

Sven

For everyone here who missed this "debate" and wants to have a good laugh: Go here.

spin

It wasn't in this thread. I must say though that WT isn't showing very much in the way of analytical ability, just credulity in spewing Velikovsky, Bimson, and whacko theories. But then his defence system is "if you don't like what I say, then you are wrong."


spin

Jack the Bodiless

BTW, I've created a new thread in E/C for the creationism stuff. I hope I've successfully reposted it there.

Creationist split from "Willowtree's Recommendations..." thread

spin

Eeek, what a waste of brain effort.

I suggest that trying to reason with WT is a futile endeavour.

Just as a parenthesis, Khufu's father Snoferu, built three pyramids before he thought he got the formula right: one that was too flat, one that was too sharp and had to be corrected on top (the "Bent" Pyramid) and the third one collapsed (Meidun) -- this last was started by his father, Huni. One can follow the evolution of the pyramid from the time of the pre-dynastic mastabas, through the Step Pyramid of Djoser, which started off as a big mastaba -- there's an unfinished step pyramid by his successor at Saqqara as well -- a few generations later Snoferu built the first true pyramids, one of which had a step pyramid core, then his son built the "great pyramid".


spin

Sven

You evil secularists, you just use this brain-dead evolution theory everywhere to deny the hand of God.
You are WRONG! And to blind to see it! Keep on denying, I'll pray for you! :devil2: :angel:

Jack the Bodiless

I'm not sure if this thread really has much of a future.

Hydarnes and Willowtree have both admitted that they will accept only evidence that supports their preconcieved notions and will discard evidence that contradicts them. Furthermore, both have apparently claimed that this is A Good Thing, and they both seem utterly incapable of comprehending that there are others (of all religious faiths and none) that do NOT think this is A Good Thing, and actively seek to set aside prejudices and take ALL evidence into account, and follow it wherever it leads.

Explaining the concept of "scholarly integrity" to them is rather like explaining color to a man born blind: I suspect that it is futile.

I think it's part of a larger problem with fundamentalist ideology: the misuse of the term "truth". Fundamentalists have become so conditioned to stick a capital T on the word and then arbitrarily apply it to "whatever my Holy Book says" that they've lost sight of the notion that maybe it would be A Good Thing if "Truth" was something that was factually correct.

funinspace

Willowtree,
Though I find it odd that you expend so much energy trying to convince atheists/agnostics that the Exodus happened in the 16th century BCE vice the typically believed 13/12th century, I am curious as to how you deal with the earlier part of the canon. You spend allot of time in proofs assuming the veracity of books like Leviticus. So what do you do with Ge 5:32,11:10-26? It appears to show a direct lineage from Noah to Abraham. And then a few other verses take you all the way to Jacob entering Egypt. So it seams that you have a very accurate way of dating exactly when the Flood happened. Yet in another thread many moons ago you seemed to waver on just when the Flood could have happened, if my memory serves me right (and not to put words in your mouth). If you are so sure of when the Exodus happened, how can you not be sure of when the Flood happened? Or how do you evaluate the above verses? I even put it in it's own thread as to not try to an hijack your thread:
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=109223

spin

Sorry, I meant "development".

Hydarnes

Jack,

You again demonstrate yourself unwilling to argue my ACTUAL position as I have stated it rather than inventing your own versions in order to flatter yourself into a mock-victory. (In common terms it's called the "straw man" approach)

I made it very clear that I will reject any tentative data that does not support my position, not undisputed scientific data as you would deceptively attribute to me. You are forgetting that evidence is on my side as much as you would like to believe that it is on yours. I wholeheartedly subscribe to legitimate science and I only dispute ERRONEOUSLY interpreted data.

You also will continue to delude yourself into believing that you DO NOT reject conflicting "data" that contradicts with your own pet ideas, when the proof is in the pudding!

That's what your religion (aka evolution) would have you believe, yes.

And since we both claim the same allegiance to truth, I guess we'll have to investigate the evidence sometime and see who has a more veracious claim to "science".


Gullwind,


You seem to be parroting the same misconception held by our dear Jack, see above.

I am completely willing to review conflicting evidence and consider its validity.