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KoopaFanatic · 01-07-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WWJD4aKlondikeBar

Why, is somone going to declare a jihad on Koopa?

It's only January and I'm already embroiled in a holy war?! Sheesh!

StarryNight · 01-08-2007, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Z500

would sanskrit count as a sacred language? or are we just talking abrahamic sacred here?

Sanskrit's fine.

I have a muslim "friend" who speaks arabic but he won't even speak the words "God does not exist" never mind translate them for me.

StarryNight · 01-08-2007, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KoopaFanatic

I believe (though not with 100% certainty) that "la-ilaha" means "there is no god" in Arabic. (It's the first part of the shahadah.)

I don't thing thats a gramatically well formed sentence in arabic.
I studied a little, learned to 'read' - well pronounce the sounds from the text but not understand all of the words - and anyhow say "la illaha" to a Muslim and thel'll respond " ill' Allah".

muon · 01-08-2007, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by premjan

Aren't Catholic masses performed in Latin? Aren't those scriptural?

No and no. They were performed in Latin a long time ago, but haven't been for 40 years. They're not scriptural, either---Catholic services aren't repetition of the Bible, and the Bible reading parts were always done in the native language of the audience. No part of the Bible is written in Latin, although of course Latin translations exist.

Pendaric · 01-08-2007, 09:22 AM

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Tammuz · 01-08-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KoopaFanatic

I believe (though not with 100% certainty) that "la-ilaha" means "there is no god" in Arabic. (It's the first part of the shahadah.)

Yes, "la ilaha" means "there is no god" in Arabic. How about this one?

"La ilaha, wa Muhammed al-kadhdhab"

(There is no god, and Muhammed is a liar.)

Chris Weimer · 01-08-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by muon

No and no. They were performed in Latin a long time ago, but haven't been for 40 years. They're not scriptural, either---Catholic services aren't repetition of the Bible, and the Bible reading parts were always done in the native language of the audience. No part of the Bible is written in Latin, although of course Latin translations exist.

Wrong.

A) Mass can still be done in Latin; just look at Mel Gibson. Moreover, there's rumor of bringing back Latin mass permanently for those who still want it.

B) No sacred scriptures written in Latin? Do you think the Romans were atheist or illiterate?

C) Technically, scripture is any written work considered holy. Latin has quite a bit of that, even Christian. It doesn't mean only the 66 books of the Protestants or even the 73 books of the Catholics. That includes *any* writings considered holy, and mass has a whole slew of them. Learn 'em, big boy.

hallq · 01-08-2007, 05:42 PM

Plus the Latin Bible once was the main way people read the Bible.

How about this one: "Dubito quia absurdum est"

Huon · 01-09-2007, 09:33 AM

Deus non est ?

Chris Weimer · 01-09-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Huon

Deus non est ?

Deus non exsistit.

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