Dilandau

A Jew when seeing a hebrew text does not only see words, but also number sequences. A Priest, that reads a Torah scroll, steps through number sequences that can be spelled as words. The Torah is a high-density storage for a lot of information. A Torah translated into german or english is just the surface with the information beneath it lost or chaotised. A Hebrew Torah has much more information in it. Information, that a learned man can read.

Corona688

Dilandu, the ONLY thing any of these people have shown is that, if you are willing to assume what you want to prove, there are a hell of a lot of ways to twist numbers around into stuff that looks good.

Corona688

I've already TOLD you what they might be - the simple fact of language structures. As for "what else can it be", that's extremely sloppy thinking. "Of course lightning is the anger of gods! What else can it be?" Just because you don't KNOW the answer doesn't mean YOUR answer is right, and your answer is not automatically right until someone proves it false! :banghead: You have presented no EVIDENCE for your beliefs, you just seem to jump from "Ooh, pattern!" to "Oooh! Ancient astronauts!"

Not to mention you've already admitted to significant doctoring of those charts to make them look better. The program only produced points - you drew the interesting lines. Why do you always insist on making these pretty charts, and not giving anyone the raw data?

And I'm STILL waiting for a response from you on some of the other crackpottery on your site. Since you know "practical magic", what spells can you cast?

Corona688

As do computers, whether they are representing greek, german, russian, spanish, esperanto, arabic, or english. Congratulations, you've just rediscovered one of the best-known facts of computing theory. Of COURSE he does. That's what language MEANS. If there was no pattern it wouldn't be LANGUAGE. Of COURSE it is. That's what language is FOR. That's the WHOLE POINT. And here again you assume what you want to prove. WHAT information below the surface? If you mean metaphor and such, of course. If you mean "OH WOW THE WORD 'cow' IS USED 653 TIMES THAT NUMBER MUST MEAN SOMETHING IMPORTANT!!!" Then no, that's nonsense.If a translated text doesn't say the same thing as the original, that is what is referred to as a "mistranslation".

I'd suggest you'd learn more about language theory as it relates to computers. You've just discovered a few key elements, not of the torah, but of language itself.

Dilandau

The Torah IS mistranslated. Method to visualise data are many. but concerning the Bible, Hitomi-Function is the single possible straight-forward method, that itself is described by the planetary cycles as they are used as symbols by the text. I am going to present annother chart that explains this. No need to ask now, that would not speed up outcome. As a feature of the art that i am doing, I neither am, nor must be able to prove it to someone who would invest any effort to prove the opposite. However, with this insight I maybe have found the solution also: giving a reward to the first hardliner sceptic, that is able to prove the opposite so that it convinces me. Me, who now thinks he has studied and measured enough to know he's right. I am thinking about, let us say, 5000 bucks. Write me if you think that is to few or to much.

If you find the times how often a value or word is used you need a pointer from the other side to have a significant value, i.e. is that value used in the Text? What for? And such. At least. These rules are more like just met by any of my "significant numbers". A flash is not the only possibble interpretation for a zig-zag line, but ONE possible interpretation. If you look my writings carefully, you will find, that they are made from A LOT of different intepretations, that I then have started to puzzle together. It's not only a flash, but also a thorn, peak or mountain. But, this is a feature of mind, I can't imagine something completely different. Your idea with the language is an attempt for a completely different explaination, that is concretley, that the figures are there naturally without the awareness and intent of the writers and such figures are naturally in any language text even if I try to write a patternless text e.g. by using every word intentionally only once. Do you have an idea HOW this can be proven? As I wrote, the method I use only works with hebrew and is allmost allready known as a traditional hebrew method. Known for its tricks and secrets. A similar method made for english langauge would be arbitrary.

Corona688

Evidence for this please? And I'm still curious - what spells can you cast, as a student of practical magic? Note the word art, and not science. Stop posting pretty pictures! Nobody wants more of these pointless diagrams. GIVE US THE DATA, and let us think for ourselves. This, more than anything else, has demonstrated that you really don't know much about logic and reasoning. It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove a negative. It is up to you to prove the positive. Or perhaps you DO know this, and simply like the idea of never having to give away the promised money by definition. Nobody will ever claim that money, and you know it. It has to be demonstrated to YOUR satisfaction - you already think you're completely irreversibly right, talk about bias! Moreover it is impossible to prove a negative, therefore nobody can EVER prove you wrong no matter if you are or not. The problem is that you've never shown yourself to be right in the first place.

Dilandau

If it's impossible to prove the opposite, why are you trying to do that? Why are you spending efforts to produce opposed interpretations? You know, interpretations is allawys the beginning of a reasoned proof. That is the direction of your choice: to prove the opposite. Or are you asking for a proof or for understanding? Apparently you do not understand the entire material nor it's time, people, background not even closely. Arts and science once have been one thing. The separations we do today are not only a benefit to the outcome. I can use either words. If someone claims that money, you will you kill yourself then or what? Like Rumpelstilzchen? I do nothing else than employing people and paying them as they deserve.

ps: i have edited some earlier post of mine while you have been faster.

Corona688

I am not trying to prove the opposite. I am trying to get you to think. Because you like to think that your interpretations are the ONLY interpretations. I and many other people have already demonstrated that to be wrong, wrong, wrong. Opposite? How is my theory of it being a product of language itself "opposite" to yours? In logic, proving the opposite generally means demonstrating something else to be false. Mathematically, this is possible, inductively, this is not. And it's a good thing for science that they are no longer. No, they're not the same thing. Perhaps this misunderstanding is the root cause of much of your faulty logic.

For the record, "pretty picture" does not equal "scientific proof".

And again, I'm curious. As a student of practical magic, what spells can you cast?

Corona688

If someone claims that money, I will object that, on the terms you have given, it is impossible to claim the money and demand you take it back. The terms you have given are simply unsatisfactory, and if you ever DO give the money away, by definition it cannot be because anyone has fulfilled the terms.

Dilandau

You asked for the plain data. The plain data is there (and was there):

- the torah
- the pictures without lines (click on them onthe page)
- the program (link at the bottom of the page)

"Scientific proof" is defined by the opposite, by the sceptics, lastly by the winner. By the winner of a war of interests. Your interest is to get me to think. To think for you? For your interest that is? Circular?

I am only convinced as long as annother insight happens to me. Some insights however are very deep, think of the insight of you and me are two separate beings.