mongrel

The Yowie is basically Australia's answer to Bigfoot. Note I do not accept that site's claims as fact.

Good point- one would think so.

DinoStoned

Meaning that if we did not keep thinking about a God, God would not have slowly come into existence over the course of human history.
Thus humans created God. Better pick your words more wisely next time, because that is what you meant.

I disagree. Your showing of God's wisdom has not managed to prove these facts one way or the other. I would say that God's wisdom does not stand up to debate methodology, not the other way around.

Visionary7

That's your opinion and your view, It doesn't apply to mine. all points are you mention have the possibilites to exist, but I doubt bigfoot is taking a dump in the backyard of the Florida everglades. But zoologists take pictures, so how do really know Bigfoot exists?

that is the basic refute I hear.

If I am preaching and witnessing, aren't you basically doing the same thing but on a different foundation?

We can just keep butting heads, only mine is a little harder.In my shoes,againist adversity and negating opinions. A hard head is neccessary to keep the faith. I do presume it takes a ton of willpower and concscious motivation to remain on these principles as I have.

Your rebuttals are the best I've seen so far, I can see how you want to apply them and make sense, but it proves nothing to me. I'm sure the same could be said in your case.

Show me where I am morally wrong and what principles of mine are wrong and we shall delve deeper and deeper until we reach nothingness, which is glory of God.

I don't want to actually convert anyone, I just like tread around and press out the word and see what the whole wide world presumes it knows..

Visionary7

All this is an fancy argument with a big play in innuendos..You very well understand what I mean, I've tried just about every angle I could possibly go. In the end, I just stick with "In Genesis God said."

You don't want me to go into Genesis and start said "God said." do you?


All we have here is simple denial, I look and ponder these silly propositions and always come back to the same conclusion. I didn't just pick up a bible and start waving it. I underwent a spritual and mental change.

We now get to the point where whether God exists in the mind, If God can exist in the mind, How is not rational that God cannot exist as deity in outside of the mind?

God exists..

This too, is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

DinoStoned

That explains a lot.

So nothingness is the glory of God? God's glory is nothing? God has, for all intents and purposes, no glory at all?

So you go around preaching, not to convert anyone, but to convince yourself that the whole wide world is wrong and you're right...

DinoStoned

No more fancier than yours, but thanks anyway.

No, because that would get you shot down faster than anything else on these forums.

I don't think anyone denies that. Of course you have to had some sort of change in world-view to pick up a bible and wave it. What, people do so for the fun of it now?
I'm just questioning your supposedly divinely-inspired spiritual and mental change.

[PARODY]Pink yoga bunnies exist in my mind. What's stopping me from claiming that they do not exist outside of the mind?
I could write up a holy book on the divinity and glory of pink yoga bunnies, and claim it as the one true religion. I know it to be true because I feel it in my heart to be so, and I wouldn't be filled in faith of such a religion if the pink yoga bunnies didn't exist in the first place.

You know you can't disprove pink yoga bunnies. They are Truer than your God. Because of my faith.[/PARODY]

Do you see?

Indeed.

mongrel

It's not mere opinion or my view, it is fact. Check it out for yourself.

Extremely slim possibilities. So slim as to not be worthy of realistic consideration.

I'm not sure what you're saying here since you've not been very clear, but I'll take a stab at it, and assume you meant "how do you really know that Bigfoot doesn't exist?"

I don't know. However, I can make a reasonable assumption based on the lack of credible evidence(AFAIK, no zoologist has taken any photos) for the extraordinary claims, just like I can make a reasonable assumption about extraordinary god-claims based on the lack of credible evidence.

Not at all. I and some others here are pointing out logical fallacies in your claims, and giving analogies of similar fallacies for you to compare to your own.

Indeed. The difference, I believe, is that we're not trying to prove god does not exist, just to show how the arguments for the existence of a god don't hold up to scrutiny. I don't see that as witnessing or preaching.

I don't recall anybody claiming your principles or morals are wrong. I just don't see any reason to believe your extraordinary claims about the existence of a god, and have given some reasons why.

Agnostic Theist

1. We talk about God because God exists.

Surely that statement demands that no agnostic or atheist will take about God, since it seems concerned with belief in God, rather than God per se.

2. We would not be intriniscally contemplating God if he did not somehow manage to procreate himself over the course of human history.

How do you know we intrinsically contemplate God? How do you know He has not been indoctrinated into our minds?

3. You cannot deny these facts on the basis of some type of debate principle or methodology, it's does not stand up to God's wisdom

OK, try this:

We talk about the nonexistence of God because God does not exist.

Same principle, same coin, different side. Care to refute?

Agnostic Theist

We now get to the point where whether God exists in the mind, If God can exist in the mind, How is not rational that God cannot exist as deity in outside of the mind?


Because, due to its finite capacity, the mind can only hold a finite representation of the infinite. Of course, the difference between finity and infinity is infinity, so any God that exists in the mind is not even close to being God. Furthermore, since He cannot exist in the mind then, if you submit to Ontological approaches to His existence, He cannot exist in reality.

For yuor information, I am not an atheist, I just think there is no argument that proves the necessary (non)existence of God (there are sound counterarguments and arguments explaining why god of certain predicates cannot exist, but that's all)

Visionary7

To me, God exists in and outside of my mind. I've already tried explain myself away, after sometime away and out state. I really had chance to relax and clear out everyday clutter. After some long and hard thoughts, I always come back to the bibleGod.I cannot explain this mystery because it is simply mysterious.


Funny thing is, bible verses always give a stronger conviction that any arguments I've seen yet.

I had recurring verse in my head all weekend.. It is in Romans.

Let all men be liars and God be true.

What I think this verse means?

Me and every other man is a liar when they think they are above God or can explain the divine nature. One can preach and spread the genuine message, but explain and put in terms with sure accuracy?

most certainly not.