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G B Mayes · 12-05-2006, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

I look forward to reading comments from readers.

God's agenda is to demonstrate His glory.

Jedi Mind Trick · 12-05-2006, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by G B Mayes

God's agenda is to demonstrate His glory.

How does he accomplish this when so much in life appears to detract from his glory?

Johnny Skeptic · 12-05-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by G B Mayes

God's agenda is to demonstrate His glory.

Does that include killing people with hurricances, including babies, not to mention innocent animals, and deliberately withholding information from some people who would accept it if they were aware of it?

djrafikie · 12-05-2006, 07:23 AM

hahaha! JS, it just occured to me, i have a feeling you will like my explanation of why it is that god allows births...

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=188776

Atheos · 12-05-2006, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

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9:15 Strike Billly Bob Brown dead for masturbating behind the schoolhouse

Whoa, I thought god only struck you blind and/or caused hair to grow on the insides of your palms for that particular offense.

dzim77 · 12-05-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

I look forward to reading comments from readers.

Speaking in big-picture terms...

To sovereignly act for his glory and for the good of those who love him by fulfilling his (mysterious) redemptive plan for mankind.

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1 The LORD had said to Abram...
2 "I will make you into a great nation
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.

3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you."
-Gen 12:1-3

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Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"-- so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
-Gal 3:13-14

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And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,for those who are called according to his purpose.
-Rom 8:28

G B Mayes · 12-05-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

If an intelligent being created the universe, including humans, it ought to be obvious to everyone that he is deliberately withholding information that would convince everyone that he exists, that he is moral, and what he wants people to do with their lives.

God hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows He exists. He has made Himself known in our hearts, He has revealed Himself in Christ, and He has revealed Himself in the Bible. Likewise, there is no lack of information on what He expects us to do with our lives; it is clearly stated in the Bible. We are to seek Him and His righteousness. No, the problem is not a lack of information, but an unwillingness of the creature to acknowledge his Creator. The creature does so at his own risk, not God's.

Jedi Mind Trick · 12-05-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by G B Mayes

God hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists.

Then why are there people who are not convinced?

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Everyone knows He exists. He has made Himself known in our hearts…

Are you sure? There are many atheists on this site, some who have been atheists all their lives and they will tell you that beyond a shadow they have never known him to exist, not in their hearts nor anywhere else. Why do you doubt their honesty?

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…He has revealed Himself in Christ, and He has revealed Himself in the Bible.

Well, what we know about Christ come from a hand picked, relatively few, books that are nearly 2000 years old. What makes their testimony of the revealed Christ any more reputable than the many books that were rejected from the cannon? Is it that they reveal a different Christ than the one so commonly accepted? And if they do then who had the right to decide that the opposition’s version of Christ was the wrong one? A group of bickering bishops?

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Originally Posted by G B Mayes

Likewise, there is no lack of information on what He expects us to do with our lives; it is clearly stated in the Bible. We are to seek Him and His righteousness. No, the problem is not a lack of information, but an unwillingness of the creature to acknowledge his Creator. The creature does so at his own risk, not God's.

What must I do to be saved?

Atheos · 12-05-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by G B Mayes

God hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows He exists. He has made Himself known in our hearts, He has revealed Himself in Christ, and He has revealed Himself in the Bible. Likewise, there is no lack of information on what He expects us to do with our lives; it is clearly stated in the Bible. We are to seek Him and His righteousness. No, the problem is not a lack of information, but an unwillingness of the creature to acknowledge his Creator. The creature does so at his own risk, not God's.

Shiva hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows he exists. He has revealed himself in Vishnu, Krishna and the entire hindu pantheon, and he has revealed himself in the Vedas. Likewise, there is no lack of information on what Shiva expects us to do with our lives; it is clearly stated in the Vedas. We are to seek him and become better souls with each successive reincarnation. No, the problem is not a lack of information, but an unwillingness of the creature to acknowledge his Creator. The creature does so at his own risk, not Shiva's.

Allah hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows he exists. He has revealed himself through Mohammad, and he has revealed himself in the Quran. Likewise, there is no lack of information on what Allah expects us to do with our lives; it is clearly stated in the Quran. We are to seek him and his righteousness. No, the problem is not a lack of information, but an unwillingness of the creature to acknowledge his Creator. The creature does so at his own risk, not Allah's.

Pan-Gu hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows he exists...

Zeus hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows he exists...

Thor hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows he exists...

Ra hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows he exists...

Mithras hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows he exists...

Horus hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows he exists...

Osiris hasn't withheld information that would convince everyone that He exists. Everyone knows he exists...

... and there are thousands more gods waiting in line.

Do you have a single objective reason why I should accept your favorite sky-daddy and ignore all the others?

Malachi151 · 12-05-2006, 12:58 PM

From what I can gather, god's current agenda according to the New Testament, is to come back to earth and slaughter everyone who doesn't believe in him in the most gruesome way possible, drowning in oceans of blood.

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12-05-2006, 07:23 AM	#14
djrafikie Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: u.k, back of beyond, we have scones and cream teas Posts: 2,534	hahaha! JS, it just occured to me, i have a feeling you will like my explanation of why it is that god allows births... http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=188776

12-05-2006, 12:58 PM	#20
Malachi151 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 8,674	From what I can gather, god's current agenda according to the New Testament, is to come back to earth and slaughter everyone who doesn't believe in him in the most gruesome way possible, drowning in oceans of blood.

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