danrael

But what if the "supernatural" experience were your own, an experience beyond the world of your logic and the thinking mind? There would be no evidence or information to gather and digest, since it is all contained in the experience itself, as when one spontaneously and unexpectedly burns one's finger on a hot stove, for example. Reflecting on the experience after the fact is only about the phenomena, and not the actual reality, of the experience. By that time, it is dead.

"The honest man, I believe; the liar, I also believe."
Lao tse

ThorsHammer

Are you saying that you have more than one consciousness ?
And how can you be aware of an experiences you aren't conscious of ?

danrael

There is the the kind of consciousness that is always "just there", as when one burns one's finger. This is awareness without thought. It is generalized attention. Then there is the kind of consciousness associated with the idea of self, the "I". This is associated with thought. The illusion of "I" gets involved and claims responsibility for the action involved: "'I' burned my finger." It is deliberately focused attention.

Awareness and consciousness are the same, no? Where did I imply awareness without consciousness?

seebs

I think this may be a miscommunication.

Many experiences I have are long past by the time I'm able to start thinking about them. There is some time between tasting food and forming a coherent and structured opinion of whether the food was good or not. Sometimes, I honestly don't know what I think of a flavor until I've had some time to think about it.

But what I'm thinking about is the memory, not the experience itself, and it is not the same thing.

ThorsHammer

OK. Got it. This is sometimes known as instinctive consciousness. It preceeds full awareness.

danrael

Not sure, but I think the Greeks referred to this kind of pre-knowldedge as metaphysic (not metaphysics).

danrael

Why such a large percentage? It is my opinion that beliefs about reality are mainly fear-driven in order to assuage one's anxieties (metaphysical distress) about the "hereafter". The idea of "another world" is a substantial, delusive idea. There is only this world which exists in the present moment.

Jobar

Hello danrael- one can be both an atheist and a pantheist, you know. I call myself an atheist/pantheist, and Robert Ingersoll, one of the greatest writers on atheism, called himself a pantheist.

Jobar's Pantheism

Kosh3

As a Deist, I believe in god inferentially, based mostly upon the cosmological argument.

ComestibleVenom

Kosh3, I've always felt the cosmological arguments to be insufficiently fractal. They feel wrong to me, in the middle of the known scales. (Isn't that interesting to see just such size for where we are that we are inbetween) The alpha and the omega social construct around us, we who are not such so that we expand ourselves by delusion to the ends of causality height of scale and intricacy of structure.

Oh it's god Kosh, it doesn't make so much sense that you can ask me what I mean, but I take for granted you. G is for Godel, not God. God is leaking, and lo how he leakes eternities into himself it seems.