ericmurphy

I think it much more likely that your Y2007 data is apparently wrong, since you've never provided any support for it, other than some unidentified person told it to you once.

Given the general level of credibility you enjoy around here, that's essentially worthless evidence.

Occam's Aftershave

"Flood....does not hold water." Dave made teh unintentional funny! :grin:

Except the C14 dating results have been cross-verified for accuracy by at least 12 different independent calibration methods. This simple fact still kills your Flood claims dead Dave, which is why you have cowardly refused to address the issue for over a year now.

You mean that 'vast body of physical evidence' that you have not been able to present one single iota of data from? :rolling:

ericmurphy

Please note: Dave, if you're going to try to argue that C14 dates are inaccurate because they fail to take into account the "flood," then forget it. First, you have provided zero evidence that your "flood" ever happened, and have not rebutted mountainous evidence that it never happened; second, you have provided no evidence that such a flood would have any effect on C14 dates; and third, you have been unable to address, or even acknowledge, the conclusive evidence provided by radiocarbon calibration curves that atmospheric 14C levels have not altered significantly in the last 60,000 years, and further that those levels can be empirically measured to high accuracy.

Dave, you continue to insist that you have a "vast body of physical evidence" for your flood, when you yourself have demonstrated that there is no such evidence.

Repeating claims over and over again does not make them any more true. You have provided conclusive evidence that your "flood" never happened.

James Brown

Let me see if I can summarize this argument.

Dave says:

• Long ago, there were widespread civilizations with various levels of advanced technology.
• The Flood wiped all of them out, but Noah and his three sons quickly spread and bred.
• Shortly thereafter, there were widespread civilizations with various levels of advanced technology.

On the flip side, we have:

• Long ago, there were widespread civilizations with various levels of advanced technology
• Shortly thereafter and ever since, there were widespread civilizations with various levels of advanced technology.

Does that about cover it?

deadman_932

Yep, JamesABrown. that covers it. Eliminate the Flood and the results are exactly the same...and since dave cannot show the flood ever occurred...well, what we have are ( to use a variation of dave's mantra supplied by Mr. Mung) :

Billions of dead ducks
buried in fora by
Rules laid down by mods
all over IIDB.

Cege

The Wáiwai population has grown since the 1950's not just by birth rate but also by assimilation with other tribes, according to World Culture Encyclopedia :

Identification. The name "Wáiwai," meaning "Tapioca people," originated with their northern neighbors, the Wapisiana, who were impressed with the enormous quantities of tapioca the Wáiwai consumed. The Wáiwai intermarried with many other groups and usually identified themselves locally by the village, headman, or river where they lived. They adopted the outsiders' name "Wáiwai" when missionaries moved in during the 1950s. As the Wáiwai assimilated more groups, the name came to include those that settled into the composite "Wáiwai" villages, such as the Parukoto, the Mawayana, the Sherew, the Taruma, the Hishkaryana, the Katuena, and the Karafawyana. Being "Wáiwai" is a matter of degree, occurring gradually as a group is incorporated into village life, learns the Wáiwai language, and intermarries.

Demography. In the early 1950s visitors estimated the Wáiwai population to be 130 to 200. By 1989 there were approximately 1,200 people in the four composite "Wáiwai" villages. The increase was because of their assimilation of neighboring tribes, their relative lack of contact with regional colonists and their diseases, and the health care dispensed by missionaries and trained Wáiwai health attendants. Half the population is under age 18, and the birthrate is 4 percent per year.

Therefore the Wáiwai population growth can't be used as a comparison for population growth rate of Noah's 3 sons and their wives since afdave's model doesn't make allowance for any other survivors of a worldwide flood, and hence no growth by assimilation.

Paul2

1) Where is the physical evidence that a tower of babel existed.
2) What effect does water have that would make carbon 14 dating useless?
3) What is the vast amount of physical evidence that shows us a global flood happened.

Thank you.

Constant Mews

Actually, no. Dave's 'model' does not make any statement about whether multiple, widespread civilizations existed. Just that advanced technology existed. Dave makes it quite clear that he believes all civilization was wiped out by the flood and that no traces remain - it is not possible to determine what kind or how many or how advanced the pre-flood civilizations were.

The Evil One

Odd how those billions of dead things were so readily preserved in the miles-thick sedimentary rock all over the world, and yet not one house, wall, ditch, hedge, farming terrace, piece of jewellery, or pottery shard from any flood-obliterated civilisation is ever founded embedded in sedimentary rock.

The Evil One

Now you see, this is illustrative.

The population numbers of a particular tribe are not an extraordinary claim, just an ordinary one. A relatively trivial matter. The sort of thing it would normally be safe to take someone's word on it, particularly if they gave you reason to believe they had a decent source.

Not, however, with Dave. Because what has repeatedly happened in this thread and others is that Dave has demonstrated an inability to tell truith from falsehood. He simply doesn't have an appropriate cognitive toolset for the discovery of true knowledge.

As a result, nothing he says, no matter how trivial, can be believed without corroboration, even if normally it's the sort of thing where you'd not require corroboration.

If afdave told me he had kids, I'd want sworn testimony from the midwife, to be frank.