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Transient · 07-04-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lpetrich

It's usually hard to find out about anyone's childhood, though it is usually easier to find about their young adulthood.

But what's especially interesting is that he had experienced some dramatic events around his birth, and that's something that Lord Raglan and others have noted is very common for legendary heroes. Especially the dramatic event of someone trying to kill the baby hero.

That's very rare among well-documented heroes. There wasn't some Southern plantation owner who tried to kill the baby Abraham Lincoln, some fundamentalist pastor who tried to kill the baby Charles Darwin, some rabbi who tried to kill the baby Adolf Hitler, ...

If it is hard to find out about someone's childhood, it is even harder to find out about their infancy.

As to that childhood-prodigy story in Luke, it makes Jesus Christ seem more snotty than compassionate. and certainly not supremely compassionate -- he did not show any regrets about making his parents get all worried about him.

Nothing much should have surprised Mary or Joseph. After all Mary got pregnant without even having sex. Angels appear to them explaining lots of stuff. Mary's sister and her husband have this miraculous stuff including prophecy etc. Rich magicians turn up at the birth and give them heaps of dollars worth of stuff. etc etc etc.
They virtually know that he is god on earth and yet strangely seem to forget it all on occasions - funny that - I guess the authors weren't expecting people like us to be analyzing all this stuff so readily - we were just supposed to be tired workers accepting what the dear priests were sprouting forth.

As for the siblings - sheesh they would have known that he was very very different - for one he was wierd in that he never ever sinned - how wierd is that.

Clivedurdle · 07-05-2009, 03:01 AM

What about the clay sparrows and his playmates dropping dead?

Clivedurdle · 07-05-2009, 03:03 AM

And why isn't not staying with mum and step dad not a sin?

Jedi Mind Trick · 07-05-2009, 04:07 AM

I think he went to India from 14 to 30 and returned after he survived the crucifixion. He servived via a plot by himself, Pilot and Joseph of Arimathea.

wavy_wonder1 · 07-05-2009, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jedi Mind Trick

I think he went to India from 14 to 30 and returned after he survived the crucifixion. He servived via a plot by himself, Pilot and Joseph of Arimathea.

^^He's using an old Jedi Mind Trick. :Cheeky:

Lugubert · 07-05-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jedi Mind Trick

I think he went to India from 14 to 30 and returned after he survived the crucifixion. He servived via a plot by himself, Pilot and Joseph of Arimathea.

The Pilot who fixed the return flight to India?:devil1:

lpetrich · 07-05-2009, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

What about the clay sparrows and his playmates dropping dead?

That was from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. In it, Jesus Christ makes some clay bird statues and turns them into real birds, and he zaps a boy who bumped into him.

Seems like Anthony Fremont in the Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life", who sends anyone he doesn't like into a cornfield.

Amaleq13 · 07-05-2009, 09:30 AM

If he was adopted as "God's Son" as an adult, his childhood may have been entirely irrelevant.

lpetrich · 07-05-2009, 11:44 AM

The Gospel of Mark can plausibly be interpreted as supporting this adoptionist view -- and it is a total blank on Jesus Christ's ancestry, parentage, infancy, and childhood.

It was Matthew and Luke who added those details -- and added them separately. John gave him a more metaphysical sort of origin.

Clivedurdle · 07-05-2009, 12:46 PM

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and it is a total blank on Jesus Christ's ancestry, parentage, infancy, and childhood.

Isn't that evidence of a character in a play?

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lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	The Gospel of Mark can plausibly be interpreted as supporting this adoptionist view -- and it is a total blank on Jesus Christ's ancestry, parentage, infancy, and childhood. It was Matthew and Luke who added those details -- and added them separately. John gave him a more metaphysical sort of origin.

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