outhouse

There are parts of the gospels that are very reliable, for you to write them off as "unreliable" and no history can be determined is factually incorrect.

Toto

What parts are reliable and why? Are you relying on the discredited criteria of embarrassment or dissimilarity?

Please stop with the one liners and the vague references to "scholarships." Provide some explicit support for your assertions.

outhouse

Even if Jesus dint exist, the object here is to determine what the original authors were actually writing about.

You keep bringing in reliability when its not a factor, only a fraction to the puzzle.


I'm sorry you have a issue with modern scholarships, but really its a personal problem.

Toto

I have no issue with modern scholarship. I have many issues with your mangled English.

I don't see the point of continuing this.

:wave:

outhouse

LOL how funny.

And what examples could you use, to demonstrate this?

I was born and raised here, I was just smart enough to get out of LA and move north.

mountainman

Historians are obliged to cite their sources in such statements.

Do you happen to know what sources are cited to support this claim?


Also, if Jesus wrote a letter to King Agbar in the Syriac language, as claimed by the first Christian "historical researcher", then Jesus must have been trained to write. Perhaps he was an educated peasant?






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mountainman

Surely this is just one of many objectives. Consider this example paraphrase. Even if Superman didn't exist, the object here is not just to determine what the original authors (of Superman) were actually writing about.

Fiction is not history. It may certainly be presented as history.


We would all very much like to know WHEN they wrote, WHERE they wrote, WHY they wrote, WHO they were and for WHOM they wrote, etc




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outhouse

Scripture factually isn't all fiction though.

Because ancient writers used mythology, and lived it. Doesn't make it all mythology, nor lacking history.

steve_bnk

Assuming there was some HJ on which the tale was built...

In the gospels the character appears on the scene as an adult roaming, preaching, and lecturing in synagogues quoting scriptures. One of personas in the gospels is a wise cracking gadfly poking at the religious establishment.

Hard to imagine the character in the stories as an illiterate or functionally literate lower class Jew.

One key for me is 'Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and god what is god's'. To me it hints at a person who had been out in the empire, perhaps a Jew from Rome.

'I will teach you to be fishers of men' to me says a knowledgeable experienced person taking the role of a leader.

I am thinking more lawyer than peasant as a modern analogy.

outhouse

Would you say that reflects the authors more so then the man?



How educated could someone get from a hovel like Nazareth?

Recent studies have shown that first century Capernaum was very poor. That should also match Nazareth somewhat.