lvdyou

Babel was not about accomplishment. It was about the pride in the heart of man self-exalting himself which is unhealthy for the soul. So God did the loving thing, to break them up. Who is surprised one hateful of God would treat this as accomplishment? Righteousness and holiness are the root of Abraham's life, worldy power by babel is the blindness of a darkened mind.

The reason you can not understand these complexities is because you are not God who created them. Knowledge is not sinful, but the Bible says the wrong use of knowledge is. That is what the tree of knowledge of good and evil is all about. Deriding obedience to righteousness and holiness is not an interesting debate. Just dullness and death.

Misreading the experience in the garden is very pompous. It is the same pompous of Adam who went for curiosity and not obedience of righteousness and holiness.

lvdyou

To help where I can. It just goes to show you that you can read the Bible but that still doesn't save you.

I didn't insult you, you insult yourself.

lvdyou

I am not obligated to do anything you ask, just as Jesus was not obligated to Satan when He was tested, simply saying "get thee hence". The Lord gives me the same liberty with you. To stop or to continue as led by the Holy Spirit.

To your question, if any religion calls Jesus a liar, that religion is a lie.

lvdyou

Historians have noted that there was varying degrees of wine, just like today.

The Bible was intended according to its original which to the best of my awareness I am in agreement with. If it was not so someone could show me otherwise, but none are able. Plus I am in agreement with 2 or 3, and much more. Praise God!

lvdyou

I meant it just as the definition says. Why are you confused about that?

Phishfood

well, its not so much a misreading as it is the exact opposite: a literal reading. and the creation event isn't so much a fact perfectly in agreement with science as it is the opposite: goat herders from 2000 years ago mentally masturbating over how we got here.

1st story:
day 1: creation of light and separation of darkness
day 2: separation of sky and oceans
day 3: separation of land and oceans. spreading of plantlife on land
day 4: creation of sun, moon, and stars
day 5: creation of sea animals and birds
day 6: creation of land animals (and people)

so now...why did this creation take 6 days and modern science says that it took like 14 billion years? why did light come before its source, the sun? i believe fossil evidence also shows that land animals came before birds. i mean, you're more than welcome to just say that science is wrong and you believe those goat herders, but im not sure that it would be intellectually honest to say that the creation myth is in perfect agreement with science. i've shown my cards. you can, of course, show yours. or you could just assert things. but on with the show...

2nd story:
no rain yet, so no plants or anything.
god makes adam from dirt, and then everything else.
god makes eve from a rib of adam.

now, while the last story stated days, this says nothing. is this a one-day thing?in the first account, god makes animals before adam and eve. in the second account, god makes adam, then animals, then eve. in the first account, god created the trees before adam and eve. in this account, god makes adam, then trees, then eve. in the first account, birds sprang forth from the waters. in the second account, birds are made from the ground.

now, once again, this isn't exactly consistent with the first creation story, nor is it consistent with modern science for the reasons listed above. i mean, eve created from adam's rib? you're kidding me. have you seen a male and female skeleton? count your ribs. we've got the same number.

so like i said, my cards are on the table (at least THIS hand). so now show me yours. you've got two things to prove: first you have to show me that the two genesis accounts are my misinterpretation, and then show me how these accounts coincide perfectly with modern science.

thank you,
-Pf

lvdyou

Many do not fear hell. Today I saw muslims chisel through peoples' necks like it was no big deal. They are fearless. This aspect will play a significant role in cutting off many Christian's necks in the coming Tribulation.

I do not accept Christ to avoid hell. I accept Christ even if I had to go to hell.

God and I have a relationship and it is a cooperation. He wants to walk with me one day in Person. So you need not feel bad for me, for these are merely your mistakes of your flesh. Because I have lost my soul, I have now gained it, truly free. But you are still clinging to your soul, so you are not free at all but a slave to your god who is not God of the Bible. Instead of having a loving relationship, between you and your god, he uses you and you use him for what you can get. It is all hellbound.

I have not called anyone a fool. Though I am sure Satan in your heart loves this attack. I do not condemn anyone, people condemn themselves. All I can do is give facts.

Your esteem is based on self, I agree; that is the problem. That is why you are harrassing me now with mindlessness. Because I love you I don't want to see you perish, but your hostility is merely representative of self that even God can not change if you don't care for Him. That is why you accuse things that never existed that exist, and that is why you trust in "I" more than you will the one who created you. Indeed, you make yourself the center of the universe and disconnected from reality.

lvdyou

I embrace salvation and salvation embraces me which naturally becomes a great joy and long-suffering. I can't control God, though He controls me by accepting His life for His life works in me. Satan is a false accuser, that's all you have is blaming. Satan is the great accuser day and night. Quite dull really. Bad unscrupulous lawyers make Satan in your spirit look good.

My sovereign will is separate from God's, and it has been renewed so as to become what God wants me to be. Your hostility to God is self and Satan working together unto hell for convincing yourself Jesus is a liar, murdered, and who cares, so you think to yourself in a dead conscience.

God does not annihilate souls once they are God-conscious. It would be very unethical and unrighteous for God to create you with the ability of awareness of Him only then to annihilate you like a peace of garbage.

sourdough

aint no such thing as True christian,bud ,not until you can pass
this test
which god would that be???
and why is Your god the True one?
what if I told you yes I did it,Im a creator of everything,could you prove otherwise?

now when you claim god is inteligent,how do you explain the fuck ups He does
such as floods,tornadoes,tsunamis,volcanic eruptions,droughts diseases ...and the malaria carrying mosquitoes which kills millions of his children every year,
quite an evil bastard if its His handiwork dont you think?
yeah this proves it too!

lvdyou

The creation event does agree with science that is fact, that is why you can't show otherwise and never will be able to. That is how perfect God's Word is.

Gen. 1.1 does not give the age of the universe, but would agree with 13.7 billion years or longer....and so on.

Man's inordinate imagination is like a book of fiction with its many varied incorrect thoughts, like thinking the Bible is not God's Word.

See for yourself each of the mistakes in your link. So far one after another people have made error after error in hatred against the Bible, not once being correct. Eventually one has to realize if you are always wrong, maybe in fact you are wrong. Not so with those hellbound. They will take their dementia to the grave and to hell.

It is not hard to prove your soul exists for you have a mind, will and emotion do you not? That is your soul. I already proved hell exists.

You have a body also. How do I know this?

And I know you have spirit too? For we all have the functions of intuition, communion and conscience therein.

Follow this,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/spiritsoulbody.htm