RUmike

A summary of prophecy in the New Testament:

Wads4

I wonder why it took hem so long to found hospitals and Universities,--nearly 1000 years,--up to that time they lived in self-congratulatory little monasteries, making pretty illuminated bibles, while their boss the Catholic Church was busy building an empire and brutally suppressing all opposition.

Wads4

"Now, an important prophecy to note is the one that says that Jesus will be crucified. Now, how in the world did people 1,000 years before Jesus know that he will be crucified when CRUCIFIXION WASN'T EVEN AROUND AT THE TIME!!! How can you just shrug this off?
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The books of the OT were not written down until during or after the Babylonian exile, by Ezra I believe. Crucifixion was invented by the Persians, though the Assyrians before them preferred impaling. Pleae show me where "Jesus" is mentioned by name in any book of the OT.

Diogenes the Cynic

The OT doesn't say anything about crucifixion so you don't even have to worry about dates.

Kosh

somettimes it hurts to laugh so much...to listen to the folks here, they are essentially saying that almost every detail about the Jesus Christ Church of Latter Day Saints in the Book of Mormon is completely wrong, can you imagine the difficulty, effort, and enormous undertaking to orchestrate such a complicated consipiracy as that?

And yet there are millions of LDS'ers, having grown more rapidly that Christianity did in the first few centuries.

Long after Mata Leao is dead, followers of Mormonism will still be building hospitals, orphanages, feeding centers and places of charity

Any yet, you're not a Mormon, are you Mata Leao? Pray tell, why?

mata leao

glad you asked Kosh. I have studied the book of mormon, the Koran, etc ,ect, and I find them to be in error. There is not one single smoking gun error in the Holy Bible. And for you Kosh, I ask, why are you not spending your time and intellectual energy battling the evils of dictatorship, world hunger, child prostitution, pornography,illiteracy, etc? pray tell?

Diogenes the Cynic

how did Judas die?

Johnny Skeptic

That is most certainly not true. The following fundamental claims are completely non-verifiable:

1 - The God of the Bible created the universe.

2 - Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

3 - Jesus was born of a virgin.

4 - Jesus' shed blood and death remitted the sins of mankind.

It is also questionable that Jesus ever healed people. Today, millions of Christians disagree as to what constitutes a miracle healing. Why should anyone believe that it was any different back then?

Item 1 all by itself discredits the entire Bible. Since it cannot be reasonably proven that the God of the Bible created the universe, his authority to enforce rules of his own choosing does not have any more legitimacy than any other powerful being enforcing rules of his own choosing. The universe is old, vast, complex, and full of possiblities. Who knows how many alien races there might be and what their abilities might be? It is utterly absurd for you to base your beliefs solely upon what you presume to know about ancient history on this planet.

Item 4 is a close second. It is most certainly just as plausible that Jesus was actually an advanced alien who replaced Jesus at the tomb, disposed of the body, wanted to be worshipped, and lied about who he was.

By the way, Deuteronomy 13 says that bad people can predict the future too, so if Bible prophets could predict the future, so what? Of course, there is not any credible evidence at all that Jesus fullfilled even one single supposed messianic prophecy. Just pick one and let's discuss it.

Many skeptics do, and many skeptics also choose to battle the evils of Christian fundamentalism. Wherever you go in the world, no matter what the religion, fundamentalists are always trouble. I would love to start a new thread and debate you about the evils of Christian fundamentalism. How about it?

Since you have questioned Kosh, may I ask why you do not forsake most of your earthly possessions and pleasures in this brief, fleeting life for the benefit of others? After you die, your possessions and pleasures in this life will not benefit you in any way, but if the Bible is true, and each man is judged according to his works, you would be much better off forsaking most of your earthly possessions and pleasures. May I also ask how you would be able to recognize Jesus if he returned to earth?

Kosh

But millions of Mormons and Muslims have not.

Are they all stupid, or is it a conspiracy as you implied about Christianity?

See the IIDB library for a long list of the ones you have missed.

Please don't change the subject to avoid the difficult questions.

mata leao

communism,fascism,monarchy,democracy,etc.....just because there are competing revelations does not mean that all are equal or that all are reliable. Again, no smoking gun errors. Many debates, but no smoking guns.ONe would think that a book of 66 books supposedly written by men without any outside revelation over thousands of years would have at least one undebatable smoking gun error. And, it is not a change of subject, it is the only rational question to someoen who says there is no God but feigns concern for those who do!!!