Mentalepsy

I don't have a particular desire to ridicule you, but some things you have said (such as the continued insistence that atheists hate god, despite being told repeatedly that we can't hate something we don't believe in) are starting to aggravate me.

Well... he CAN take it back, and he does. For those who do not believe, Jesus rescinds his sacrifice, and we burn in hell.

No, not really. What's hard to believe is that an all-powerful all-knowing God had to sacrifice himself to himself to allow himself to circumvent a law he made himself that would have forced him to send us to a hell he made himself because he didn't make us right the first time.

The reason the Sacrifice is so hard to believe is because it doesn't make any sense, not because of the amount of love allegedly involved. And at any rate, even if all that did make sense, there's no evidence that it happened.

It isn't a gift. A gift is freely given: salvation is only given to those who worship the correct god in the correct way. All others are damned for the crime of skepticism.

Weltall

Someone's got a martyr complex I see. Maybe if you posted something rational we wouldn't have to mock you. Pity you take all the challenge away though, it's not fun to shoot fish in barrels... with shotguns. Now then, about all that warm and fuzzy crap, we non-theists have plenty of joy, hope and love and generally more than we ever did as theists. We don't need what you're selling so unless you want to sit and have reasoned discussions with us you're not going to get very far here.
Christianity, one of the biggest cop-out religions of all time.
And apparently missed the point.
Did Jesus? You can't prove that he existed, much less did anything.
You don't need faith to be a Buddhist.
You have COMPLETELY missed the point of Buddhism just as you miss the point of atheism.

Mageth

Umm, I'm pretty sure most Christians on this board would more or less disagree with the above. Salvation/forgiveness /= freedom to do anything.

No. It's the lack of evidence what done it. You seem to be having a hard time grasping that, BTW; we atheists lack belief in your God because we find the evidence to support belief in that God to be way less than convincing enough to justify belief.

I have my parents, my wife, and my son to love me "anyway". I don't need some imaginary friend that supposedly loves me. (And an odd love that is too; if I don't do as he says, if I don't toe the line, he'll punish me for a looong time.

I have no reason to do those things sans God.

A gift that actually existed in reality, even a pack of gum, I would find much superior.

AJ113

So it's not the christian god you love then? Y'see, the christian god, as we all know, has a multitude of conditions tied in to his love. For starters, how about "If you don't love me I'll burn you alive for all eternity."

Mageth

Hardly, as there are no 'sins of humanity' in Buddhism. Why should there be?

Buddhism doesn't require faith.

The goal or purpose of Buddhism isn't eternal life. And seeking it would be contrary to Buddhism, IMO

That sounds more like a distortion of Hinduism than Buddhism.

Where'd you study Buddhism? You need to ask for your money back.

funinspace

Alas, the Bible says that's not true. Your God did something even most parents would never do:
Hebrews 6:4-6 "For it is impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift and shared in the holy Spirit and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to bring them to repentance again, since they are recrucifying the Son of God for themselves and holding him up to contempt."

So you see it can be taken back. I must be condemned so it seams by your perfect Bible. :banghead:

DK

Autonemesis

According to the story, he rose from the dead three days later, and lives at the right hand of the Father. I think you are confused. Jesus isn't dead, according to your cult's gospel. His death WAS taken back.

Ab_Normal

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Bee-youtiful.

Mageth

Indeed.

I think this thread deserves a reposting of my little composition (which came to mind on reading Mentalepsy's observation):

The Greatest Story Ever Sold

Wayne Delia

Who made up the rule that one of the qualifications of being God was that His life must be offered in redemption of humanity's sins? Turns out that you're already assuming your guy is God, and you're assuming that the requirements for being a God are nothing more than what your guy did. That's assuming your conclusion, begging the question, and circular reasoning.

Personally, if I ever decided to believe in a god of any kind, I imagine I'd be looking for one which can't be killed at all.

WMD