Mageth

Well, since this is now in GRD, I'll respond.

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No, I lack belief in god(s), so I'm not waiting for God to call.

That makes no sense. I have to believe in him first? If I believed in God, then I would not lack belief in God.

Well, I don't know about Jesus, but the Bible certainly portrays God as being upset with people.

Been there, done that. I didn't depend on any denomination to form my beliefs about God. Heck, that's one reason why I was eventually able to escape god-belief altogether. So yeah, that process changed my whole outlook on Christianity as well.

Funny, I have no relationship with a god of any sort, yet I find much in life to be satisfying.

Well, I still think, talk, and read about these things (religion, mythology, etc) quite a bit. But in doing so, I'm not "trying" anything; I'm just the curious sort, and religion, mythology, and the god concept are fascinating to me. I lack belief in god(s), but am pretty well convinced that, if a god does exist, it isn't anything like any version of the Christian God (or any other god) I've ever heard of, or that anyone else has ever come up with. All of those are flawed human concepts, inventions, attempts to define god to our satisfaction and in our image.

BTW, the whole idea of having, or seeking, a "relationship" with God seems rather bizarre to me. If I want a relationship, I'll make it with a human, or a dog, or something I know actually exists.

Biff the unclean

Nope, not everyone. The testimony written on my heart says that the Bible is baloney.
But when you say it is "infallible, from beginning to end" I have no idea how you mean that. Some Christians the literal word of God is actually metaphore and it is infallible not in what it says but in what they interpert what it says to mean. For instance the Second Day of Creation. Genesis dwells on the construction of the firmament which takes the entire day to build. I have yet to run into a Christian in the 21 century (thought there were tons in the early days) who thinks that there is a literal firmament.
Do you think there is?

sourdough

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jdlongmire

jkf,

It is wonderful to have another believer here. I assume by believer you refer to Christianity. You will find this forum a challenge to your assumptions, a validation of your faith and a great source of learning. (I know I have!) I also have felt the urge to quit my day job and post here exclusively for awhile, but realized that I need to spend more time with family and fellowship (church), so try and keep it balanced...

I have come to view the IIDB as a Roman forum, a great place to debate your ideas and a really good place to test your fruit and apologia, since the veterans of the board are for the most part intelligent, direct and well informed.

Enjoy your time here and remember:
Matthew 10:16
I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

1 Thessalonians 5
21Test everything. Hold on to the good. 22Avoid every kind of evil.

Colossians 4
4Pray that I may proclaim it clearly, as I should. 5Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

Soli Deo Gloria!

JD

Sven

You should have come a few days earlier - then I would have invited you to "my" thread "Why assume inerrancy?" which is now closed unfortunately.
But let me explain briefly, perhaps you like to answer this question in this thread: I'm convinced that one had to assume that the bible is inerrant before actually reading it, so that every apparent contradiction which comes up while reading can be argued away instead of been taken as evidence that it's not inerrant. So I started a thread to ask Christians why they assume inerrancy beforehand - something which is totally alien to me, when I open a book, I assum that there are errors therein. Unfortunately, I didn't get many replies, and the few I received in the end boiled down to TAG (transcendental argument for god; which I find ridiculous BTW).
So perhaps you like to give an answer why you assume inerrancy.

Is this the answer to the above question, that is in essence, you feel that is inerrant?
Then I'm interested in why many people who don't encounter any religion in their upbringing and come to read the bible later in life simply find it to be errant like many other books. And why Mormons, Muslims, etc. are wrong in their feeling that their holy book is inerrant.