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Old 08-02-2008, 05:06 AM   #21
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When is the first verified time that the early christians were proclaiming the miracle of the resurrection? Is all we have the reference in Acts to go on? The dating of acts is uncertain, also. When can we say for sure that christians were making this proclamation?

EDIT: referring to the physical resurrection.
Jesus died after 70. However, he rise "from the dead" for the first time around 33, probably in Judea. A second time he rise in Rome, during the first 60s.

Before you give me the "mad", I believe it is worthwhile to reflect a little 'about what I said and evaluate where necessary to carry out some research (especially in gnostic context), to try to understand what I meant to with that I said.

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Old 08-02-2008, 09:07 AM   #22
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When is the first verified time that the early christians were proclaiming the miracle of the resurrection? Is all we have the reference in Acts to go on? The dating of acts is uncertain, also. When can we say for sure that christians were making this proclamation?

EDIT: referring to the physical resurrection.
Jesus died after 70. However, he rise "from the dead" for the first time around 33, probably in Judea. A second time he rise in Rome, during the first 60s.

Before you give me the "mad", I believe it is worthwhile to reflect a little 'about what I said and evaluate where necessary to carry out some research (especially in gnostic context), to try to understand what I meant to with that I said.

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In reference to the your specification, it must be clarified that the "resurrection" of the 33 was a gnostic: namely a resurrection "symbolic". Jesus, at that time, was still part of the gnostic sect of John the Baptist, and Mary Magdalene was the priestess of the sect.Was, therefore, her task to announce the "resurrection" of Jesus to the others followers.

In view of this event, perhaps one of the most important in the liturgy of the sect, Jesus had remained for some time fasting, probably to purify his body. James the less chose to fast with him. After the "resurrection", Jesus sat at the table and it was brought to him a bread. He broke it and gave one part to James, inviting him to eat with he. (These data come from patristic source where, however, the resurrection is meant as the "orthodox", ie a physical resurrection!

That happened in Rome was rather a physical resurrection. He did to dig a grave into which was then buried, with the assurance that after three days he would be "resurrected". It was precisely what happened. Of course, there was a trick in all this and I'm not sure that the modern "charmers" are able to reveal the "mystery". It was certainly a trick known only to "magicians", given that there were also other examples.


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There is little indication in the gospels that even Jesus's own disciples believed in his resurrection. There is no description of the resurrection anywhere in the New Testament, and in Luke 24:11, after the women report the empty tomb, the disciples considered it "an idle tale, and they did not believe them." Doubting disciples are also encountered in Mark 16:13, Matthew 28:17, and John 20:25. (See examples at http://bibleblunders.com/_wsn/page3.html.) Apparently, Jesus himself did not really teach that he would be resurrected - otherwise the disciples would not have been so skeptical when they heard the reports.
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