Duvduv

Can someone explain to me how all these posts have anything to do with the title of the thread concerning the existence of Mohammed?
Even AA wants to join in here where his posting does not deal with the issue at all..........

aa5874

You are NOT Credible.

Please Identify what I have stated that does NOT deal with the OP??

Did not ApostateAbe claim that there is a "universal pattern" and that Jesus was reputed to be a human being???

Well, there is NO universal pattern as claimed by ApostateAbe.

Jesus was NOT described as a human being in the NT.

I have SHOWN that there is NO universal pattern where the leader of a religious cult is WORSHIPED as a God. Universally Religious cults WORSHIP GOD Not the leader as a God.

The leader is normally considered a Prophet or holy.

Secondly, the leader of a Religious cult, is NOT normally claimed to be the Son of a Ghost or without a human father and GOD the Creator of heaven and earth.

In fact, the Jesus story BREAKS ApostateAbe's Absurd "universal pattern" so much so that he actually RE-WROTE the Jesus story so that it would NOT.

outhouse

the 12 are generally viewed as fiction.


you start wandering around with a large group of men in Galilee you would be viewed as trouble for one.

two, you would starve healing teaching for dinner scraps.


the 12 is viewed as added theology connected to the OT's 12 tribes



the bible is also completely silent on all but the inner circle, showing what oral tradition there was, did not deal with all 12

outhouse

he most likely existed. this is to show no matter how much evidence one has towards historicity, someone will claim myth

Toto

What criteria are those? The criterion of mere plausibility being sufficient for a real historian? There is nothing embarrassing about 12 disciples, nothing discontinuous. Most historicists either accept that this is a mythic embellishment, or that Jesus appointed 12 disciples as a symbolic reference to the 12 tribes of Israel, or the zodiac (depending on their preference.)

The sources do not even agree on the names of the 12.

aa5874

A single 4 word sentence is evidence?? Please, you don't make much sense.

It is NOT even certain that there was someone named Muhammed who wrote the Quran yet you want people to think that a character described as the son of a Ghost and God the Creator most likely existed based on Admitted Discredited Sources.

Please, such Presumptive BS is worthless.

ApostateAbe

I agree. The trouble is that the principles applied to cast doubt on the existence of Jesus would also cast even more doubt on the existence of Mohammad.

ApostateAbe

John the Baptist had a rural following sizable enough to get him killed, though maybe not the type of followers who went with him everywhere. I'll start a new thread on the topic.

Duvduv

What kind of argument is based on "most likely "?

ApostateAbe

The topic of the thread is somewhat flexible, but I take it to be more about the sanity check than about Muhammad. The sanity check is meant to evaluate one's reasoning about the historical Jesus.