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Originally Posted by mountainman
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Gibson
Contrary to what you seem to want to make of it, Pete, the bolded point assumes that Arianism and neo pythagoreanism (of which you have previously not been speaking and which, to my knowledge, had no priesthood) are and always were separate entities. Otherwise speaking of a parallelism between them on any issue, let alone their views of the relaltionship between the Logos and some other higher power (which, BTW, is not spoken of in the quote you adduce), makes no sense.
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Dear Jeffrey,
Pythagoras, after whom the philosophic doctrines of Pythagoreanism take their name lived and breathed and has his being in a totally different ancient historical epoch than Arius of Alexandria, whose words inflamed the Roman empire at the time christianity was made the official state monotheism by Constantine with effect from his military supremacy therein.
Pythagoras and Arius of Alexandria were separate historical figures. The lineage of neopythagorean philosophers from Pythagoras to Arius is significant and arguably includes Apollonius of Tyana (whom Coneybeare translating Philostratus informs us interacted with the priest(s) of Asclepius) and the name Ammonius Saccas (the neopythagorean, not the christian of the same name asserted to have existed at the same time, and to be the teacher of Origen the christian). From Ammonius (which name Arius is reported ti have given as the name of his father) we have Plotinus and Porphyry, and a host of other related students. Constantine himself, and in no uncertain terms insists that Arius must be viewed as a Porphyrian. |
Well, here we are again. Woefully under informed assertions instead of argument. Dodges of questions asked. Misreadings and misconstruals of what I wrote. Equivocating changes of topic. Question begging equations of terms. Blather instead of evidence. A refusal to actually engage in discussion of points raised.
So please, Toto, do shut this down. And since virtually all of Pete's current posts, not to mention all of the threads he initiates, are basically versions of the same theme and are always in some way realted to mooting his views of Arius and what he supposes was the origin, background, and content of Arianisn, please shut down all of his other posts and threads as well.
Jeffrey
01-08-2009, 04:48 PM
