Sven

This is subpontibian.

ETA: I'm afraid I can not tell what this means. The few who have an idea (talkorigins feedback readers) can have a chuckle.

But this is interesting: "What does this mean?" very well could be written as an response to each of savedforgod's post.

savedforgod

What does that mean?

Wads4

I have never sinned,-and if you dispute that, tell me what you know about me.

Wads4

Pray on it-then tell us.

savedforgod

Have you ever told a lie, even a tiny inconsequential little fib? Have you ever done anything you regreted? Have you ever done anything you considered a mistake?

savedforgod

Additionally, outside the Bible, Jesus is also mentioned by his near-contemporaries. Extra-Biblical and secular writers (many hostile) point to Jesus' existence, including the Roman writings of Tacitus, Seutonius, Thallus and Pliny, and the Jewish writings of Josephus and the Talmud. Gary Habermas has cited a total of 39 ancient extra-Biblical sources, including 17 non-Christian, that witness from outside the New Testament to over 100 details of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection.[8]

It is significant that contemporaneous Christians, Clement, Ignatius, and Polycarp described the Gospels as the words of Jesus.[11]

Sven

Is this your website, savedforgod?
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t016.html
If no, ever heard the term copyright?

FatherMithras

That doesn't follow. Jesus said he was god (Maybe, though since the earliest writings about him were after 70 AD, this is only speculative. You seem to think we should therefor believe it, unless we have proof he "sinned." However, since we don't have stories about him until 70 AD (at the least.) the only source we have for that information is second and third hand sources. These are not reliable. Even if they were, being "without sin" does not prove he's god. It would prove he was an incredibly exceptional person. In order to prove he's god he'd have to reliably show magical powers akin to the particular god concept in question. Since there are no contemporary sources saying anything like this, AND because they'd have to be better then the frauds we see nowadays (which they aren't) that's not reliable. Your argument here is exceptionally weak. IF you say I'm incorrect about the time of the sources, please show an example of the contemporary sources of Jesus to refute me.

That is AN interpretation. Not "the only" one. Another one could be he was simply the best human being ever. OR that God magically removed sin from him. or that he was a nature spirit endowed in human flesh who was incapable of sin due to his mystical rules. There's dozens of interpretations. BUT, since we have no sources about Jesus during or immediately following his lifetime, and even if we did we don't know everything he ever said (so we don't know if he lied or mislead) or did (cheated, etc) so we can't say anything definitive about him. Another instance, him dying on the cross could have been due to committing crime (if he even was crucified). Many people died on crosses, and none of them were fulfilling sacrafices. You claim Jesus is special due to being sinless, but the only sources that agree were by his followers. The sources that mention him by the Jews say he was a scoundrel.

And how many of these are contemporary? Zero. If I'm wrong, show me an example.


It says there's a firmament in the sky, that bats are birds, insects have four feet, and that rabbits chew cud. Plants came before the sun, Humans were created and didn't evolve, Noah fits every animal in the world (2 of some, 7 of others) on a 450 foot arc, a WORLDWIDE flood occurs even though there's not enough water to do that, The tower of babel story says heaven is in the sky and tells we got language from its destruction, the israelites go through the philistines lands HUNDREDS OF YEARS before they existed.


This is in only a tiny bit of the Bible. Please explain. Oh yea “7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.”

^^^Is where The BIBLE says pi=3.

FatherMithras

Exactly. NOW, how many of these were during his life? oh wait, the earliest is 70 AD, and t doesn't match the Bible like you said. Not only that, the wrting s I'm speaking of (Josephus) are clearly corrupted, since he calls Jesus God despite NOT BEING A FOLLOWER OF THAT BELIEF.

savedforgod

Galatians 49 A.D.
James 49
1,2 Thesselonians 51/52
1,2 Corinthians 55
Romans 57
Mark 58/60
Ephesians 60
Colossians 60
Philemon 60
Philippians 61
Matthew 61/64
Luke 61/64
1 Timothy 64
Titus 64
1 Peter 64/65
Jude 65
Acs 66/68
2 Peter 66/68
2 Timothy 66/67
Hebrews 68/70
John 85
1,2,3 John 85/90
Revelation 95