Blackbeard

You keep adding these nice little tidbits after I have already replied to and quoted your posts. It doesn't trouble me at all either that we disagree. I recognize and value all views as long as those views do not kill people. Your view does, so yeah, I have a problem with it.

You have not convinced me that our justice system will ever be perfect enough for capital punishment to be flawless. I'm all ears if you care to tell me how to do it effectively and realistically. Once you can do that, you may convince me that capital punishment does not have to be equated with "murder". Calling me arrogant or saying ridiculous nonsensical things like "Combining false arrogance with the sterility of regurgitated hackneyed phrases looks a bit weak" will not make your case, FYI. :wave:

grumpytheBright

That's bullshit! By supporting capital punnishment, you DO accept it.

grumpytheBright

Seeker630

Not at all. During my police career I met people who I thought deserved to die. I'm against the DP simply because it's too easy to make mistakes, and not out of any altruistic notions. Criminal justice systems are populated with------people. They make mistakes. I would rather the asshole die in prison, than risk, no matter how remotely, executing the wrong person. Witness the number of people in recent years who have been proven innocent because the real criminal stepped forward, or because of DNA testing.

If it is later found out that a person in prison was innocent, you can always release them---maybe send them for some job training, pay some damages or something, line up a job for them. But once you kill them the're dead.

Nobody can fix dead.

JPD

You'll have to work out a way of coming to terms with it then. Or not. Its up to you whether you feel you can. I'm not particularly concerned whether or how you do it. Personally I have no problem with people who like to keep scum living on this earth. I wonder whether their view has any backbone to it. I also wonder how they would feel if a loved one was murdered. Surprise me by not responding with "Yeah, how would you feel if a loved one was executed?" I can only speak for myself and - to a degree - for those who are closest to me and say that there isn't a chance in hell that they would behave in a manner that would render them likely to be arrested in relation to a murder.

JPD

Actually I don't. The system, though, has to be improved significantly.

JPD

Actually I didn't call you anything - the terms were in reference to your post. And they apply since you rush - your view rushes (that sounds bizarre but anyway) to a list of logical fallacies at the drop of a hat.

coloradoatheist

For the people who support only life sentences. Can you answer me two questions?? How often do life sentences get overturned, either reduced or set free and how does it compare to the death penalty?


Mike

Blackbeard

Many people who were executed were not behaving in any way that one would think would lead to them getting arrested for murder. What's that got to do with anything? By virtue of someone getting arrested they are guilty? Or they must have been behaving like a murderer somehow?

regardless, as it stands we have this:

You said: "I can quite believe that many innocent people have been put to death. I find it absolutely unnacceptable. "
Also you admitted that our justice system is not perfect and suggested it does need to be perfected before the DP can be used .... so .... Do you still support the death penalty as it is today? Or will you withdraw support of the DP until such time that you can be 100% sure that wrongly convicted people will not be put to death? Once you answer this question, I will cease and desist in further debate on this. I have said all I need to say ... and a lot more.

Blackbeard

So then logically you do not support the death penalty as it stands today. Cool! :wave:

Blackbeard

I'm arrogant because I can spot logical fallacies?