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livius drusus · 10-06-2003, 06:20 PM

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If you consider yourself the worse on the scorn scale, then you, in your zealotry, have earned it.

I disagree. If IIDB allowed zealotry to be attacked just because it is zealotry, then PD would be even more of a swamp than it is.

Gurdur · 10-06-2003, 06:21 PM

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Go to an Unitarian Universalist church to witness the worth of inclusion over fundie exclusion.

Actually, well-said.
Though I believe these days even the Methodists are getting very inclusive.
But a good point.

Gurdur · 10-06-2003, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by livius drusus
I disagree. If IIDB allowed zealotry to be attacked just because it is zealotry, then PD would be even more of a swamp than it is.

I beg to disagree (slightly).
It wouldn't be more of a swamp --- it would be non-existant. Immolated. Nuked.

Oh for Capitalism vs. Socialism, Thread No. # 14, 322,
or for Israel, Very Angry Thread No. 18, 441, or for Republicans Are Bad Thread no.# 8, 109.

Biff the unclean · 10-06-2003, 06:24 PM

Just out of curiosity, is it something specifically about this forum that they reject, are they in general not interested in such things?
They sat here with me one day�sometimes being "Biff" on the board. But were negatively impressed by "no organized religion" Christians and (unlike me) considered them to be a waste of their time. They weren't too thrilled by the anti-Catholic sentiments either. Not in themselves but because they were based on misinformation about the Catholic faith and not on things that are actually wrong.
The Atheists they didn't seem to mind at all. But they are very polite guys and they were my guests.

Chalk it up to my English major
That's good because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with my Irish usage, which, as we all know, is much more charming than your run of the mill normal English.

livius drusus · 10-06-2003, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
That's good because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with my Irish usage, which, as we all know, is much more charming than your run of the mill normal English.

I'm not trying to nitpick you, Biff, but I seriously don't get this. Do you mean to say that it's common Irish usage to reply to someone saying "how does what they think affect you" with "because you thinking it does such and such to me"? It just doesn't make sense to me unless you are equating the person you are addressing with the third party they brought up.

In any case, you've clarified that you're referring to the "some Christians" and not to Haran. That's the material point. Pardon the grammatical derailment.

Demigawd · 10-06-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by livius drusus
I disagree. If IIDB allowed zealotry to be attacked just because it is zealotry, then PD would be even more of a swamp than it is.

Well, that was my 666th post, so you should expect a certain degree of deceit.

Seriously, though, Magus55 has come to this forum with his fundamentalist mindset, and when challenged by contradictory evidence, either claims us "infidels" are mocking him and his religion, or he fails to respond.

Perhaps I should put Magus55 on my ignore list, but as I've stated in the past, his stance reminds me of when I was a fundamentalist Baptist. And as such, I feel compelled to challenge his presuppositions because I really wish to spare him the potential future shame of having been a bible-condoned bigot.

livius drusus · 10-06-2003, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Gurdur
I beg to disagree (slightly).
It wouldn't be more of a swamp --- it would be non-existant. Immolated. Nuked.

Oh for Capitalism vs. Socialism, Thread No. # 14, 322,
or for Israel, Very Angry Thread No. 18, 441, or for Republicans Are Bad Thread no.# 8, 109.

I can see you haven't been there for a while. I'm pretty sure those numbers are way low.

Magus55 · 10-06-2003, 06:42 PM

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BULLSHIT!!! You came to this board with the arrogant assumption that your faith in a literal interpretation of the bible makes you privy to all sorts of knowledge that trumps any and all scholarly study out there. When you were pointed to areas of study to consider, you turned tail. Yet, you continuously spout the fundie line that "God said it! That settles it!"

If you consider yourself the worse on the scorn scale, then you, in your zealotry, have earned it.

Fortunately, your statements concerning your future career options leads me to think you are a teenager, and as such, a very impressionable person. Hopefully, when, and if, you attend a non-religious-affiliated university, you will see the errors of your ways, and learn what the quest for knowledge and wisdom really is. Hint: No particular religion has a monopoly on these things. Go to an Unitarian Universalist church to witness the worth of inclusion over fundie exclusion.

I'm not in a religious affiliated university. I was in Advanced Placement Biology and Physics in High school, I was in college biology in which I aced, and I'm currently in Anatomy and Physiology in which I currently have the highest grade in the class. I've heard the evidence of evolution, and don't find it convincing ( human evolution at least ). Sorry I don't accept your assumptions, but similar anatomy is not convincing evidence that we came from apes - especially when you consider the enormous lack of transitional fossils between human and ape. I should expect millions, if not billions - not 100 or less. I also don't go to church or synagogue at present time so that has no effect on my beliefs.

Biff the unclean · 10-06-2003, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Gurdur
Ah, those mirror-images with co-dependancy problems..........

Bartender I'll have what he's having.
When did I ever pretend that I was quoting some higher authority? When have I ever said that I was not responsible for my own thoughts and words?

Gurdur · 10-06-2003, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Demigawd
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Seriously, though, Magus55 has come to this forum with his fundamentalist mindset, and when challenged by contradictory evidence, either claims us "infidels" are mocking him and his religion, or he fails to respond.

The problem I see is that many actually like having some way-out Creationist to mock; the result is not rational discussion, but easy mockfests.

It also means the constant equation of all Christians, or even worse all religionists of any kind whatsoever, with simplistic YECs (who are very much a small minority) --- and there's even angry reactions here when Christians refuse to be shoved in the fundy way-out pigeon-hole.
This makes atheism as it is presented here all too often simply irrelevant --- by continually insisting on a strawman, such angry diatribes remove themselves from the real world, and make themselves simply useless.
Not a good idea, for the promotion of atheism.

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10-06-2003, 06:24 PM	#394
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Just out of curiosity, is it something specifically about this forum that they reject, are they in general not interested in such things? They sat here with me one day�sometimes being "Biff" on the board. But were negatively impressed by "no organized religion" Christians and (unlike me) considered them to be a waste of their time. They weren't too thrilled by the anti-Catholic sentiments either. Not in themselves but because they were based on misinformation about the Catholic faith and not on things that are actually wrong. The Atheists they didn't seem to mind at all. But they are very polite guys and they were my guests. Chalk it up to my English major That's good because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with my Irish usage, which, as we all know, is much more charming than your run of the mill normal English.

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