Duvduv

AA forgot one on the list: Writings under the name of Justin Martyr.

aa5874

No, No, No!!! You forgot the Talmud.

Duvduv

Hmmm.........do I hear an echo? It's either the writings of the sacred Justin Martyr or the Talmud??? You already dismissed all the major apologetic and religious sources of Christianity except for your texts that cannot be proven to have been written in the second century by someone named Justin, and then you take aim at the Talmud??
That does not compute......

aa5874

I DISMISS any source that is NOT compatible with the actual dated recovered manuscripts and are sources of fiction.

You take aim at Justin but forget that you cannot produce any dated originals of the Talmud and cannot present any actual dated sources that the Jesus story and cult originated in the 4th or 5th century.

My argument is that the Jesus story and cult originated in the 2nd century based on ACTUAL recovered dated sources and compatible sources.

You seem to have no understanding of evidence. You seem to have ZERO understanding that the writings of Justin Martyr is compatible with actual recovered dated evidence.

Please, tell me how in the world are you going to show that the Jesus story and cult originated in the 4th or 5th century??

What dated manuscripts do you have??

Again, these are the ACTUAL recovered dated manuscripts that show that the Jesus story and cult did NOT start in the 1st, 4th or 5th century.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri


I REJECT your imaginative claims that the Jesus story and cult started in the 4th or 5th century because you have Nothing.

Duvduv

Please do us all a favor and post a link to your best ORIGINAL GREEK MANUSCRIPT of either of the books attributed to "Justin Martyr," and explain why it is superior to anything attributed to the anyone on the list of the entire pantheon of Christian texts which you reject.

Yes, the ORIGINAL GREEK MANUSCRIPT of either book attributed to Justin, and all testimonies and affidavits confirming it was written in the second century by a guy named Justin.

Sheshbazzar

Why would the writings of Justin Martyr, if he was writing contemporary with those other writers on aa's list, not show any indications of any influence by, or knowledge of 'Paul' or the Pauline introduced doctrines?
This to me seems to be clear evidence that Justin's writings were produced earlier than these others, and for whatever reasons were not reworked and 'updated' by the latter Church.
It is not at all reasonable that Justin would have produced texts on Christianity and its beliefs and practices that did not acknowledge facts of the Christian faith that were already common knowledge to all practicing Christians.

Whether these texts were actually produced by someone by the name of 'Justin' doesn't really matter. The writers name may have been Joe Blow, and it wouldn't change the fact that the author was apparently utterly unaware of any apostle named Paul, any 'Pauline' writings, or the 'Pauline' form of gospel.

aa5874

I have NOT ever claimed that I have original Greek manuscripts of Justin. I have stated that the writings of Justin Martyr are COMPATIBLE with the actual physical dated recovered manuscripts.

You don't seem to understand what "compatible" means.

Justin's First Apology is addressed to a 2nd century Emperor and mentions stories about a character called Jesus Christ.

The Jesus stories in "First Apology" are compatible with the actual physical recovered dated manuscripts.

Again, I have posted the link with the actual physical recovered dated manuscripts that show the Jesus story and cult did NOT originate in the 1st, 4th or 5th century.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

There is Actual Physical Dated Evidence that the Jesus cult and story did NOT start in the 1st, 4th or 5th century.

Whether or not you accept Justin and whether or NOT there are originals of Justin we have the Actual Physical Recovered Dated Manuscripts that show the Jesus story and cult did NOT start in the 1st, 4th or 5th century.

Tell me what are you going to use to support your argument that the Jesus story and cult originated in the 4th or 5th century??

You have NOTHING but your imagination.

My argument that The Jesus story and cult started in the 2nd century is Actually supported by Physical Recovered Dated Manuscripts.

Duvduv

If you don't have any original manuscripts then you have no empirical proof about anything concerning the texts attributed to a second-century individual. And if you DON'T have such manuscripts WHY do you demand originals of the Talmud from me?! Why do you demand from others what you don't demand from yourself? It's called in the *Talmud* "maykel al atzmo ve-machmir al acherim" ("easy on oneself while strict on others").

aa5874

Why don't you read my post instead of repeating the same absurd blunders.

You are the one who want me to be easy on you. You want to present your imagination as evidence that the Jesus story and cult originated in the 4th or 5th century.


Again, whether or not you accept the writings of Justin is irrelevant because the Actual Physical Dated Recovered Manuscripts are the FOUNDATION of my argument.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

The Actual Physical Recovered Dated Manuscripts show that the Jesus story and cult did NOT start in the 1st, 4th or 5th century.

You can burn the Talmud and Justin's writings--we still have the Actual Physical Recovered Dated manuscripts.

Steve Weiss

"Real truths of life?" What would those be? Something that you concluded using no means in particular? A higher purpose in life? What might that be? Some whisperings in your ears perchance from a realm beyond comprehension? If so, how would one differentiate between these flights of fantasy and psychosis? How did you come by the omniscience to know what science will know for all of time? Never is how much time? If reason fails you, what do your propose in its place and why?