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Old 12-23-2003, 06:17 AM   #1
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Default Re: What constitutes a crime

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The very nature of a criminal act is that it is "unforgiven". Being sent to prison, being on parole, capital punishment, and anything that either the society at large or an individual inflicts upon the criminal is a lack of forgiveness. In our country, the individual is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his peers. Once he is found guilty, there is NO forgiveness. Nor should there be. Do the crime, pay the time.

That should read "Proven Guilty beyond ALL possible doubt." The findings have to contain ABSOLUTE proof and it must also be shown that the evidence has not been falsified or deliberately concocted by any third party. It should be made clear that the punishment FOR falsifying evidence should carry the SAME penalty as the case on trial. This would help to prevent any miscarriage of Justice, especially where "vested interests" may play a part in either politics or "religion".

I'm very tough on crime, totally support capital punishment and do not forgive easily. Last person you'd want on your jury.

As for personal interactions, I am even tougher. I have found over the years, that I feel better when I eliminate people from my life who have hurt me maliciously. When a friend or a family member is malicious towards me, I'm done with that person. Call me cruel, call me "unchristian" and you're right.
I do NOT turn the other cheek. I walk away and find new friends.
I agree with you completely on this particular issue. That is precisely what I do. There are too many evil doers who like to pretent friendship. False friends as with false "gods", and particularly false "religions". ALL religion can be seen to be false where sectarianism and bigotry, or evil, is involved. So I would ADD friend, family member or other person. ESPECIALLY where priests are concerned, and ESPECIALLY when DIRECTED to do so by Rome or by Rabbi or by ALL other "holy" persons as a matter of course. Again this can ONLY be considered to be evil.

I do NOT care for capital punishment where religious politics or government politics are concerned as this leads to reprisals and assassinations. Treason may have a different set of values, but then national patriotism is a thing of the past too where global peace is seen to be more beneficial to everyone.

Peace on Earth and Goodwill toward ALL people, ALL of the time.

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Default A REspectful Love.

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I'm not sure I agree with this either. "Better" is subjective, and as for "happier", forgiving someone who is unrepentant might lead to bad consequences, including making me personally worse off. I'm aware that some interpret Christianity as teaching that enemies should not be regarded as such, and/or that good feelings should be preserved towards them, but it's quite obvious to me that such attitudes may lead to real harm.
The Christian Teaching is that of LOVE between all people out of RESPECT for each other and The God Who made them all.

Obviously as this is a Message from The Son of God then it applies equally to ALL people, as it is God Who made them ALL.

Certainly ALL people should show RESPECT for God and everything that HE has Created.

They MUST therefore RESPECT each other in order to achieve this.

This respect must be shown between ... ALL ... opposing parties and ideologies, and it is for ... ALL ... opposing parties to FULLY co-operate with each other.

For it ALL to work as it should, ALL people should adopt the SAME system of belief, and to get over the problem of sectarianism and fringe religion, this belief CAN and should be based in SCIENCE alone.

A Scientific Believer needs NO Church as neither does God Himself.

Not to belong to a church, or to any religion does NOT denote that people do not believe. They believe in a scientific way, as members of a Freethinking Laicity. Lay Teachers, both of belief and of morality.

As God has NO church then NEITHER does His Son as neither of them need such a device to "believe" in each other, as they, SELF-Evidently, already KNOW each other.

KNOW thyself and thou shall come to know God. If you can imagine His true nature then you will imagine Someone MUCH more powerful than you may have thought previously. CREATOR of Heaven and Earth. To Create such a Universe requires a LOT of power.

If you RESPECT God then HE ... may ... come to RESPECT you.

RE is ALWAYS REspectful of God. And so one RE may REspect another RE, as both show REspect one unto the other, as Equals.

If one RE should become angry and turn into RA then RE will not respect RA, as RE does not care for anger. RE has only REspect for intelligence.

As long as this intelligence is used for the benefit of everyone then it is an intelligence worth having.

If it is only used to advance the individual then it can be seen as being selfish.

True LOVE is Altruistic. Not selfish.

And so it was that Christ was crucified between two opposing hypocrisies who had decided to steal from each other. In this respect Christ found Himself caught in a sectarian and ideological divide. These FALSE divisions are, in fact ... illogical.

In ALL conflicts it is Christ Who is the REFEREE.

A Good REferee like to see a FAIR contest and fair play and so it is that you come to A FAIR RE.

NOT a "fairy" sitting on top of the Christmas tree, A FAIR RE who is looking down over you. Protecting you from yourselves and from each other.

For you should ALL be living in Peace, out of REspect for a God Who would love you more if you would treat each other with REspect and REspect Him at the same time.

A REspectful LOVE.

The REspectful Love that any son or daughter should show towards his or her Father or Mother.

RESPECT THY FATHER and THY MOTHER as GOD would have YOU REspect HIM.

This is ALL that HE expects of you.
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Light a quick question- What's with this RE/RA stuff?

NOw on to the fun stuff:

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This respect must be shown between ... ALL ... opposing parties and ideologies, and it is for ... ALL ... opposing parties to FULLY co-operate with each other.
You seem to be suggesting that all parties/ideologies are equal of this respect, they are not.

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For it ALL to work as it should, ALL people should adopt the SAME system of belief, and to get over the problem of sectarianism and fringe religion, this belief CAN and should be based in SCIENCE alone.
Basing belief in science alone would get rid of the christ figure for a start, so be careful what you wish for , and the belief in god/s would be religated to sidelines as it is not something that can be tested for

Quite apart from that is that humans are bloody minded creatures that can never agree on anything, which is a good thing as this is how science progresses.
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Maybe ... and because there are different religions which see the SAME God in differing ways ... it might be better to keep nine of the Ten Commandments and allow that the Ist Commandment be shared by those who have become One WITH God.

In that way of thinking ALL people share the SAME God and keep His Commandments as well.

This is then common to ALL people who share the same belief in One Supreme Being, remembering that HE is The God Creator and God Redeemer.

As to the question about RA & RE this is the combination of the two well-known natures of God. RA is the angry face of God and RE is the pleased face of God.

Those Who are One with God being VERY ... RARE.

This Supreme God, The Father of Creation, with His two countenances, RA & RE is correctly called ... PTAH.

All of this RE-ligion (How to believe in a RE-Legion, and become a "Legionnaire" or Believer) comes from "Ancient" Egypt, which is the MOST accurate belief system in scientific terms. Ptah translates as Pater, Latin for Father. Of course God being Omnipresent is ... STILL ... here.

The scientific Trinity is composed of one atom and one molecule making three atoms as with Ozone. (Hence "The Wizard of OZ(One)" of which there is ONLY ... One.)

This threesome also describes Male-Female in the presence of God Who is additionally depicted as Atum (atom) whilst the molecular bonding is the same as the male-female bond of Marriage where Shu is Male and Tefnut is Female.

This is the ONLY true, scientific belief, and is born out by thermodynamics and the conservation of energy principle. God is KNOWN to be a Pure Energy Being as there was nothing there before Creation, Only God and His Heavenly Band of Angels in The Infinite and Eternal Boundless Sea of Indestructible Energy of The Nun.

Those Who share this Scientifically And Spiritually correct belief system and have become One with God form the Legion of God, a RE Legion.

As this IS the CORRECT form of belief those who understand it have the Leading form of belief, as with A-students or those in the Alpha stream they may be said to have the Alpha-Theism.

In this REspect they may be considered to be "A-Theists" where this implies ... Alpha Theists ... as they are FULLY aware of ALL of the Aspects of God AND His Creation.

These Aspects ARE FULLY DESCRIBED by the Nine Aspects of Creation, also known as "The Great Ennead" or the "Council of Nine" in what many people still regard as "ancient" Egyptian RE-Ligion.

Of course YOUR RE-ligion IS precisely the SAME, as this is where YOUR belief system stems from.

The Great Ennead or Council of Nine, comprises:

Atum, Shu, Tefnut, Geb, Nut, Isis Osiris, Seth and Nepthys. The Tenth is Ptah, Pater, Father, God Creator and God Redeemer.

YOU MUST believe in PTAH to have the correct belief. For ONLY HE is the SUPREME BEING, THE Supreme GOD, The Almighty, All-Knowing and All-Seeing God, Al 'Illah, the Effective Cause of Creation, Who is ALSO known as El Shadda�, The ALLMIGHTY

PTAH, Al 'Illah, El Shadda� are all different names for the SAME Supreme Being.

HE Who Created ... YOU.
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There ARE OTHER AND MUCH BETTER ways of instructing people than by playing around with sex and "hole-i-ness".
And JUST who IS it THAT instructs BY playing AROUND with SEX and "HOLE-I-NESS". (whatever that is???)

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Personally I feel that there is NO greater CRIME than pre-meditated evil with the INTENTION of BEING evil.
Don't bring evil into it crimes aren't evil they're crimes.
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Answer one: Hol(e)y men.

Answer two: All crimes ARE evil because they DAMAGE someone else.

If they are not thought of as evil then anyone can commit crime freely, contrary to The Ten Commandments.

Also Evil begets evil and Good begets Good.

Goodwill is of Good People and evil is of ILL-INTENTIONED people who commit evil crimes with INTENT and with malice aforethought. these are the LEGAL definitions and are contained in the Laws of Tort.

For there to be PEACE on Earth there MUST be ... GOODWILL

All "religions" which deal in devils and satans are, by definition, of an evil formof "belief".

I do NOT share in this form of belief, NOR would I expect anyone else to do so.
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Answer two: All crimes ARE evil because they DAMAGE someone else.
And we have a winner for gross oversimplification and generalisation, the prize? A big, fat WIBBLE-BIBBLE-BOOO

Growing and smoking your own cannabis hurts no one but the person doing it but is a crime.

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If they are not thought of as evil then anyone can commit crime freely, contrary to The Ten Commandments.
whether something is moral or not doesn't depend on the 10 C's, remember that they are a mix of religous commandments and moral codes.

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Goodwill is of Good People and evil is of ILL-INTENTIONED people who commit evil crimes with INTENT and with malice aforethought. these are the LEGAL definitions and are contained in the Laws of Tort


not all of it its not, it's not nice to add words
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For there to be PEACE on Earth there MUST be ... GOODWILL
Don't need religion though.

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All "religions" which deal in devils and satans are, by definition, of an evil formof "belief".

I do NOT share in this form of belief, NOR would I expect anyone else to do so.
So the Christianity/Islam and the likes are evil? Well no arguement there, but why are you interested in teh 10 C's the bible deals with devils and the likes so they must be evil!

Or do you just make the stuff you believe up from nothing? (note this is a serious question).
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My belief is based in SCIENCE. Science does NOT contain devils and satans.

When Crucified Christ did say, "Father forgive them they know NOT what they do." For they were still stuck in the Old Testament, eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.

Christ was a FIRST BORN single child Who should have had BROTHERS and SISTERS amongst other people in this world.

Instead He found only enemies and the Judas who gave Him away for thirty pieces of silver.

NOTHING has changed since.

Given that EGYPT is a SCIENTIFICALLY Enlightened belief system those who are not of the Egyptian belief system are obviously UNENLIGHTENED. Pharaoh = Enlightened One.

A SCIENTIFICALLY enlightened person does NOT have so many children that He overpopulates the entire planet so that people are CONTINUALLY warring with each other because they have too many children.

It is NOT about babies it is about constructiong a Heaven on Earth where people had expected to live in a Paradise as Egypt USED to be.

At least it was a Paradise before the deluge.

Given that the Papacy thought that the Sun orbited the Earth long AFTER the Egyptians had already fixed the positions of the stars in the Constellation Orion, it is hardly the Catholic church that is enlightened, is it!
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All that Jesus stuff isn't science and possibly history or more likely myth.

You're not making much sense and we have gone way off topic so lets just leave it there shall we.
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The story of Christ is a MORAL Example. So how come you don't know this already?

Where there is evil being done then there is NOBODY who should have to pray that this does not happen.

The VERY FACT that people ARE praying lead us not into temptation and deliver us FROM evil shows that there IS evil at work right HERE.

But then sin and evil and temptation are religious ideas and are definitely NOT scientific.

OBVIOUSLY it should be ILLEGAL to play the devil or satan, as this is just games play and nothing else.

Why pray on a Saturday just to simulate satan? These religious people are NOT normal.

On the other hand there is Freethinking which is DEVOID of "religion" and FULL of Belief.

A FREE (thin) King is one Who needs no priests to tell Him about God. They exist in spiritual form, just as Angels do.

FAR better than "religion" is FRIEND-SHIP where the Captain or Commander is FRIENDLY.

So our FRIENDLY Captain, the "Skipper" of Heaven & Earth, (Dutch phraseology for God) Commands His ship. But just where He gets all of these devils and satans from I have NO idea.

Obviously if this Polish pope believes in such things he should be locked up and the key thrown away. As all of this gobble-de-gook and mumbo-jumbo are the things of a nightmare imagination used to frighten children.

Hey so I am frightened (?) so now what? Some priest wants to commit a crime against me and steal from me unless I give a religious observance?

So as Saturday has connotations with satan the devil, evil and crime and so do all of those people who believe in such things in the name of hole-i-ness then it would be far better to be a Quaker and meet in a Friend's Meeting House. Or go to a bar and have a drink with REAL Friends on a Sunday. (Btw! Don't forget to be holey will you!!!)

"Funny" (peculiar) how these holey men don't like women, are celibate and are definitely NOT holey. So they MUST be un-holy then! It is they who legalised robbery and called it belief and if you don't pray to them they WILL rob you blind. Then the blind will be leading the blind whilst these jokers look on. Overseeing YOUR "hole", the Love of YOUR life.

My ex-wife is a blue-eyed blonde, that should tell you something when Polish nutters attack blue-eyed blondes because of feigned religious "superstition", because they WANT to "Make babies with the daughters of men because they are so fair." ALL of this stemming from the time of Jacob's Troubles and the Hassidic "uprising" (a euphemism for a "hard-on" or male erection) in Poland. So now they are fighting for their "hole" in tjhe hole-i-land.

So if you don't pray to the catholic church they will throw you to the lions just as religion has been throwing people to the lions (pussycat) since it began. Stuffing Christian "Turkies" for Christmas a bit of pocket-picking and throat cutting so as to bleed you pork-eaters to death, whist they run YOUR country FOR you. Now these homeless wndering satans are attacking the hol(e) land for their "Warrior" Polish pope who just wants catholicism to be the most dominant religion in "Nomine Domine", in the name of domination itrrespective of the amount of babies it takes to increas the population by 4�0 billion just to satisfy his power crazy megalomania. Never mind the suffering this causes.

Al Capoine and any numbers racketeers could have dreamt up such a protection racket and they were ALL criminals too. Pray to me or I WILL lead you into temptation AND deliver you unto evil!!! And ALL of this affects women and children too.

God and Angels speak of Eternal Life, Life Everlasting, and NOT of devils and satans and a LOT of nonsense. How pathetic.

Expert textpert choking smokers don't you know the Joker laughs at you?

Or should it be, "Expert" textpert, textbook hypocrites, who are laughing at you?

These donkey lovers. "Lucy in the sky with diamonds." Lucifer.

The black death.
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