MollyMac

Salieri, the reason you get people mad isn't anything to do with 'Christ', it's to do with the style and content of your posts. If you tried to present your arguments more coherently, they'd probably still be crap but they might not attract so much vitriol. E.g. Your argument on this thread could be presented thus:

1: People who say they are God when they are not God are always dismissed as lunatics.
2: People don’t bother arguing with lunatics.
3: Jesus said he was God and prophesised that people would hate him
4: Contemporaries of Jesus didn’t dismiss him as a lunatic but some people did - and still do - argue that he isn’t God.
5: People who argue that Jesus isn’t God hate Jesus.

Therefore Jesus is God and not a lunatic.

I would also suggest you take another look at your reasoning – if you can’t spot any flaws then it might be better if you didn’t start any more threads unless, of course, you are happy to see them end up here in the cellar.

Disarray

Nicely done MollyMac, perhaps we should make it a habit to translate all of Salieri's posts for him, so he can understand himself more clearly.

JohNeo

Salieri, atheism is only important to us because religion is so important to so many knuckleheads. And moreover, it's because people have imposed religion on others since its inception.

But atheism is anything but a religion. We don't give money or trust our "eternal souls" to atheism, for nothing tangible in return. We don't tell other people "they better be right or else."

We rail against religion as Jesus supposedly railed against the power structure and corrupted Judaic faith of his time.

JohNeo

TollHouse

LOL! I just love this reasoning.

So, if I were to approach a group of Christians and be a complete fucking dick about it, then I would prove the validity of atheism as long as I managed to piss people off?

JohNeo

Yeah, I think that runs along the lines of the huffing-and-puffing Christian claim about the Badass-Jesus bringing a sword. They (Christians) are endlessly claiming that they are responsible for bringing peace to the world and having the monopoly on morality, etc.

Then once they get bitch-slapped by reason, they do anything but turn the other cheek. They get the sour grapes attitude like "oh well, you're damned anyway." Then they give themselves license to discriminate and/or kill.

But who among us does not already know that? Ugh...

JohNeo tells himself: Love the Christian, hate the Christianity :angel:

Agnostic Theist

You know when a person has to play a 'bad guy' in a soap opera or long running series, people approach the actor with disdainful comments. Now, imagine if the character (not the actor) was worshipped by a massive group of people, and these people went around telling others to worship this character.

Can you see why these atheists get annoyed? Can ya? Can ya? Can ya?

And I'm no theologian but I've read enough to understand that he was killed because he WAS delusional, because he couldn't prove He was the messiah and the priests saw him as a threat to their authority.

He was killed because it was the will of God. People were not supposed to know who he was, because then there'd be no room for faith and it'd all be a bit too easy for us all. Capiche?

Koffi

What the hell are you talking about....in the 1100's an arabic king by the name of Saladin managed to control much of the middle east including jerusalem...while the christian crusaders killed the pilgrims and traders, when saladin consolidated his power without destroying any holy sites or churches he allowed christian pilgrims to freely visit the holy lands.

so are u saying the crusaders did this because of a love of jesus? and what did saladin think of jesus...love him hate him what, read into it a bit and tell me.

g-21-lto

I agree that persecution of Christians is widespread. But so is, or has been in history, the persecution of numerous other religious groups -- Jews, Muslims, native animists, etc. Do they all have that slice of divine truth that is proven by their persecution?
Perhaps people argue against Christ because it was his religion that gained power, spread throughout the western world, and is today the major religion of the americas and europe. It's pointless to argue against someone who has maybe a hundred people out of six billion following him.

You also act as if Christianity were the only religion that people argue against. Perhaps in your life experience it has been -- I assume you live in the western world? Christianity is the major religion here, and in america at least the religion that seems bent on theocracy lite. Atheists argue against what is in front of them. I assume that atheists in other areas of the world, if they are allowed to speak up, argue against the local deity.