Solo

Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree"--

Where did Paul propose that happened ?

Jiri

Grog

We could apply a frequentist methodology. How often do the followers of a human leader engage in preaching without invoking the words and authority of the teacher-founder? How often in his speeches did Malcolm X refer to the teaching of Elijah Muhammad? Ever hear Ramona Africa speak? Every teaching begins with "As John Africa taught us..." Early Christians are rather unique in their apparent disinterest in the actual words and deeds of their founder (who they also revered as the Son of God). This is not incredulity. This is applying what we know about human behavior and considering the likelihood that similar people would or would not act in similar ways. The early Christians, it is argued, did not.


True enough.

IF they thought the world was ending tomorrow, then why did they raise money for poor? Travel the ends of the world preaching? This seems like an easy out.

The more you say, though, the more you will reveal what you do think or now and the assumptions you make. The more you say on this board, the more vulnerable your own cherished assumptions will become. Best not say too much.

Mandelbrot

Where did what happen? Christ's redemption or the "cursed" part? If it is the "cursed" passage, it doesn't matter since that was written in the Old Testament and not about Jesus. If it is the redemption you are asking about, it happened in one of the heavenly realms above Earth that Paul speaks about. What was for? Are you surprised that someone actually knows and is more familiar with the bible than you are?

Will Wiley

Just say it using different words or explain what you mean. Thats all I'm asking. It's not clear what you mean

Mandelbrot

Which word of the sentence Any of the absent historical writings from a contemporary is causing you trouble?

Will Wiley

Grog will you please stop attributing things to me that I haven't said. You started off quoting me then switched the the following quote (which is not from me but without indicating the source was changing.)

You have made it look like I said that but I didn't. Though you may have been misled by Toto

Thank you

Will Wiley

I asked you to either explain it or say it in different words. If you don't wish to I'll leave it.

EarlDoherty

Hebrews 8:4. See the upcoming installment of my response to Ehrman on Vridar. (Should be posted in a day or so)

Earl Doherty

Will Wiley

How did you conclude what early christians were interested in, and how sure are you you've got it right?

James The Least

1. If Jesus is a myth then "30 years after his death" is meaningless. He could have "died" any time the mystagogues wanted him to die. Legends about Jesus could have been circulating for 100 years before anyone decided to historicize his "death" to Pilate's reign.

2. Most Romans were ordinary workers or slaves, i.e. people who could identify with a poor rebel who fights against the establishment. You keep saying "Romans" as if every Roman citizen were a rich equestrian or something.