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Originally posted by Bernard Muller
Looks to me like he is arguing against Docetism, and the function of "truly" is to emphasize the bodily reality of these events and not their place in history. But perhaps someone can persuade me differently?
Vorkosigan
Right on, Vork
More so, according to Gnostic/Docetist Basilides (120-140):
As reported by Irenaeus, about Basilides, AH, I, 24, 4 "For since he was an incorporeal power, and the Nous (mind) of the unborn father, he transfigured himself as he pleased, and thus ascended to him who had sent him, deriding them, inasmuch as he could not be laid hold of, and was invisible to all"
Basilides did not believe Christ was crucified:
As reported by Irenaeus, about Basilides, AH, I, 24, 4 "[Basilides thought] He appeared, then, on earth as a man, to the nations of these powers, and wrought miracles. Wherefore he did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead, so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, [Simon] was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them."
Best regards, Bernard
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As the Second Treatise of the Great Seth states:
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And I did not die in reality but in appearance, lest I be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I <suffered> according to their sight and thought, in order that they may never find any word to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. For their Ennoias did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance.
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Regards,
Rick
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10-27-2003, 12:29 AM
