IamJoseph

Its got nothing to do with 'MY' opinion- this is the opinion of a host of scholars, nor does the tel dan depend on any one word - it is in allignment with a host of other historical events with a nation which went to war with David, the same area, the same time period, and recorded in the book of kings. Its questioning is in the same arena which says the Jerusalem temple is a myth!

Toto

Name them or concede that you are posting nonsense.

Non responsive.


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Just get your dates straight, and you will realize that this is utter nonsense.

Alexander died in 323 BCE, well before the date of the Septuagint.

Ptolemy I Soter succeeded Alexander and ruled Egypt from 323 BC—283 BC. Ptolomy II Philadelphus was co-regent with his father at the end of the father's reign, and then ruled until 247 BCE.

IamJoseph

It was sufficient to quote Josephus. We know he was in Gaza - a Judean city.





There no problem with the dates, being a few years thereafter. The Septuagint is said to have been translated 285 +, which is 2 years after Ptolemy ascended - this does not allow such a large decision to be made by Ptolemy in such a short time.

Clivedurdle

Alexander in Jerusalem is very interesting. No Greek writers mention something they have no reason to repress! They regularly reported Alexander's arrival at sacred places, where he honoured native gods and performed public acts of sacrifice.

Arrian, Dodorus, Curtius or Plutarch - nothing.

Gruen, Es Heritage and Hellinism - The reinvention of the Jewish Tradition (University of California 1998)

IamJoseph

Its not the Greeks but Christian Europe which would have made the distortions. The Gospels does not even mention the Roman holocaust of 70 CE - which occured in the presence of any Gospel writers.

Toto

No - you claimed that other sources supported Josephus.

I accept your concession that you were wrong.

There is no indication that this was a large decision, and you still seem to be confusing Ptolemy I and II. The Septuagint was translated during the time of Ptolemy II, about 40 years after the death of Alexander.

We see here your problems with English. "From the time of Alexander the Great" refers to the use of Koine Greek as the "lingua franca" of the area - this passage does not connect the Septuagint to Alexander.

Toto

1. There were no Christians at the time of Alexander.

2. Please do not trivialize the 20th century Holocaust by comparing it to the Jewish War of 70 CE.

3. The gospels are set in the historical period before 70 CE, but in fact reference the Jewish War of 70 CE in the form of Jesus' so-called predictions about the destruction of the Temple.

Clivedurdle

And IAJ is alleging wholesale censoring of Greek documents! What is the problem with Alexander visiting Jerusalem so that the xians must censor it?

Oopps, its the other way round, he didn't make a detour to go there!

IamJoseph

Nor in the time of Josephus. The doctoring was done later - the originals are destroyed - thus no arguements.

1.2M, 2000 years ago = 20M today, pro-rata. IMHO, it is the Gospels who trivialises holocausts by not mentioning the first one - which occured in its writer's midst, and croc tears of 'we were not aware' with the second Holocaust. The truth will set you free - whenever you decide.

Being wrong on two counts does not make one right. There is not a single prediction in the Gospels which was vindicated, even the one which revels in genocide. Clearly the gospels erred: there are 1000s of bricks on the wall, and Israel is returned - exactly as predicted, and clearly putting PAID to the Gospels. The Hebrew bible does expose by testings. Compare with Abraham, who battled with God to save the most evil nation of Sodom, then ponder why Mighty Rome is not around anymore, and why Abraham was blessed.

The Gospels perpetrated the most grotesque lie-by-omission by not mentioning the Holocaust which occured in its writer's midst. But history exposes this attrocty.


God did not kill 1.2 M Jews in 70 CE - Europe did - Christians revel while shouting about love. Jews performed the greatest defense of God in all recorded history - date was 70 CE. Its another view?

IamJoseph

How am I wrong? I have a 2000 year evidence from the world's greatest historian, and reports from the most vindicated Hebrew writings. In contrast, you have put up 'nothing' but an opinion from Europe, many centuries later, and with a clear tradition of distortion and villification of real history. I may be wrong - but not so by evidences.

It was the largest decision of all. It is arguably the reason for Christianity's emergence. The translation was done a few years after Alexander's death - because of Alex's intitiation. The name Alexander was taken on board by the Judean Jews in honor of him: you won't see this name pre-Alexander. The Greeks conducted numerous wars with the Jews when Hellenist priests found the Hebrew bible superior to their own, and their status dimished.

Josephus also said the Greeks begat their alphabetical writings from the Hebrew - and you won't be able put up a Greek alphabetical book pre-Septuagint. Josephus is correct and vindicated, with no motive to lie - his writings was in the midst of the Romans and Greeks, ordered by them, and every word in his copious wrtings were scrutinized for errors and any negative charge. Show us a disputation of Josephus by the Greeks or Romans? :wave:

My english ain't the problem. The entirety of my response disproved your position, and your deflections are the problem.