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Chili · 04-10-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Kirby

The demons beg not to be sent 'out of the country', which might be presumed to mean out of the earthly plane (instead of merely the area of Syria in which Jesus currently was).

The demons represent the many questions that drove this person mad (much like Joseph who went to give an account of himself to find deliverance and as if pregnant with dispair gave birth to the Christ-child within). For 'them' to be scattered would leave 'unanswered question' after a thus fornicated rebirth and that was something Mark does not want (Matthew doesn't know any better). So therefore they must return to the pigs (with cloven foot) whence they came to remain not answered and drown into the [celestial] sea from where the primary premiss first came that created them (this means that rebirth is an intuit urge = intuition is memory of the soul).

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Perhaps the reason is that Jesus did not actually have the power to send the demons out of the country. For this reason, he 'permitted' the demons to enter the pigs. While, in fact, Jesus could not have exorcised the man if the demons did not want to leave the man's body. Jesus simply allowed the demons of the man to go the way they wished to go. This line of thought suggests that the Jesus of Mark is a limited power, but also a clever one. The Jesus of Mark repeatedly says things along the lines that "your faith has saved you," and perhaps he means it in a strong sense: it is you, your faith, that has saved you, not me.

Exactly, and this is most unlike the popular 'altar call' method whereby potential bona fide rebirths are fornicated. The native or aboriginal call to deliverance is very strong of which the shackels and chains present an image. Night and day among the tombs shows persistent darkness and despair in life (see Duhrer's Involutional Melancholia) which is typical of a lost sheep whereabout vultures would gather (such as preying "two by two's"). The tombs here is the Alpha of our soul (also called the dowry as Mary) to which our own contribution must be added after crucifixion by way of resurrection

We cannot be the follower of a Jesus but we must be the Jesus in our own world to get our own ass out of purgatory (Jesus worshipers are wrong and the second beast of Rev. 13 is very clear about this).

Chili · 04-10-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamera

Christians have been perplexed by this passage for millennia. Even early on the church fathers seemed unable to make sense of it.

Each and every Christian must have been the madman of this passage or else he is the victim of a premature deliverance.

Crowley · 04-10-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

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Originally Posted by Peter Kirby

The demons beg not to be sent 'out of the country', which might be presumed to mean out of the earthly plane (instead of merely the area of Syria in which Jesus currently was).

The demons represent the many questions that drove this person mad (much like Joseph who went to give an account of himself to find deliverance and as if pregnant with dispair gave birth to the Christ-child within). For 'them' to be scattered would leave 'unanswered question' after a thus fornicated rebirth and that was something Mark does not want (Matthew doesn't know any better). So therefore they must return to the pigs (with cloven foot) whence they came to remain not answered and drown into the [celestial] sea from where the primary premiss first came that created them (this means that rebirth is an intuit urge = intuition is memory of the soul).

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Perhaps the reason is that Jesus did not actually have the power to send the demons out of the country. For this reason, he 'permitted' the demons to enter the pigs. While, in fact, Jesus could not have exorcised the man if the demons did not want to leave the man's body. Jesus simply allowed the demons of the man to go the way they wished to go. This line of thought suggests that the Jesus of Mark is a limited power, but also a clever one. The Jesus of Mark repeatedly says things along the lines that "your faith has saved you," and perhaps he means it in a strong sense: it is you, your faith, that has saved you, not me.

Exactly, and this is most unlike the popular 'altar call' method whereby potential bona fide rebirths are fornicated. The native or aboriginal call to deliverance is very strong of which the shackels and chains present an image. Night and day among the tombs shows persistent darkness and despair in life (see Duhrer's Involutional Melancholia) which is typical of a lost sheep whereabout vultures would gather (such as preying "two by two's"). The tombs here is the Alpha of our soul (also called the dowry as Mary) to which our own contribution must be added after crucifixion by way of resurrection

We cannot be the follower of a Jesus but we must be the Jesus in our own world to get our own ass out of purgatory (Jesus worshipers are wrong and the second beast of Rev. 13 is very clear about this).

Sometimes on this forum I read and reread a post and can make no headway. This is such a one.

Chili, I have no idea what you just said...

Ulrich · 04-10-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowley

Sometimes on this forum I read and reread a post and can make no headway. This is such a one.

Chili, I have no idea what you just said...

Just search IIDB for any and all posts by Chili, your head will soon be swimming in a sea of incomprehension.

Chili · 04-10-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowley

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Originally Posted by Chili

The demons represent the many questions that drove this person mad (much like Joseph who went to give an account of himself to find deliverance and as if pregnant with dispair gave birth to the Christ-child within). For 'them' to be scattered would leave 'unanswered question' after a thus fornicated rebirth and that was something Mark does not want (Matthew doesn't know any better). So therefore they must return to the pigs (with cloven foot) whence they came to remain not answered and drown into the [celestial] sea from where the primary premiss first came that created them (this means that rebirth is an intuit urge = intuition is memory of the soul).

Exactly, and this is most unlike the popular 'altar call' method whereby potential bona fide rebirths are fornicated. The native or aboriginal call to deliverance is very strong of which the shackels and chains present an image. Night and day among the tombs shows persistent darkness and despair in life (see Duhrer's Involutional Melancholia) which is typical of a lost sheep whereabout vultures would gather (such as preying "two by two's"). The tombs here is the Alpha of our soul (also called the dowry as Mary) to which our own contribution must be added after crucifixion by way of resurrection

We cannot be the follower of a Jesus but we must be the Jesus in our own world to get our own ass out of purgatory (Jesus worshipers are wrong and the second beast of Rev. 13 is very clear about this).

Sometimes on this forum I read and reread a post and can make no headway. This is such a one.

Chili, I have no idea what you just said...

Or maybe you cannot affort it.

I can sure take you thru it all but it usually does not get any better.

s.felker · 04-11-2008, 01:45 AM

That such metaphorical acrobatics can be performed on almost any text--and that they are therefore meaningless--should be obvious. Here we have scripture as Rorschach blot: wherein the occultist can find his magical principles perfectly reflected; [and] the conventional mystic can find his recipe for transcendence...

If you pick up a copy of Finnegans Wake, for instance, and imagine that you have found therein illusions to various cosmogenic myths and alchemical schemes, chances are that you have, because Joyce put them there. But to dredge scripture in this manner ... is little more than a literary game.

Toto · 04-11-2008, 02:31 AM

The above is from The End of Faith (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Sam Harris.

Katastrophikus · 04-11-2008, 02:34 AM

Maybe the demons just didn't like the country side. I've been to Syria. I can sympathize.

Not as much as I empathize with the pigs, though... Imagine, there you are, rutting in the mud and enjoying yourself when suddenly someone who claims to be a God of Love, sends a whole bunch of demons at you and you drown.

That's just lovely. Poor pigs. That'll learn 'em.

Chili · 04-11-2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by s.felker

That such metaphorical acrobatics can be performed on almost any text--and that they are therefore meaningless--should be obvious. Here we have scripture as Rorschach blot: wherein the occultist can find his magical principles perfectly reflected; [and] the conventional mystic can find his recipe for transcendence...

Because the bible is metaphor unless otherwise noted such as in Jn.6:55 where "my flesh is real food and my blood real drink" and let me add here that Jesus added that "no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the father" (in 6:65) no matter what the evangelist thinks about this nor what Matthew has to say on this because Mattew is wrong and therefore the evangelists is wrong as well. John confirmed this later with his mandate for the great commission that is more noble and allows us to walk upright at all times: while showing his wounds Jesus said "as the father has send me, so I send you," (20:21).

Chili · 04-11-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

The above is from The End of Faith (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Sam Harris.

The end of faith lies in understanding such as in The Consolation of Philosphy by Boethius. But note here that the prose is not easy to follow and requires poetic or lyric restrian to give direction its noetic or gnostic meaning.

To just walk away from faith (Sam Harris style maybe?) is to set this herd of pigs free that were pigs only because they were ill conceived and not like voices from the graveyard that have apostolic tradition (sic) right back to Peter of old (my sheep know my voice).

It is obvious that at the moment when all becomes known so that peace on earth may be restored [to this madman] also the unanswered questions must be dealth with and therefore they must return to their source via the element of greed (a common trait of Adam [who wanted] Moore) and die in the [celestial] sea that first prompted their initiative (from Gen. 3:15 "I will strike at your head [and] you will strike at his heel," which is the chain of command in humans for as long as they are human (this renders pigs homeless and leaves Magdalene stranded in the dark when Jesus died until Mary came = maybe closer to home this would be our temple tramp called Magdalene doing free tricks and we are the suffering body that she rules over).

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04-11-2008, 01:45 AM	#6
s.felker New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Memphis, Tennessee Posts: 1	That such metaphorical acrobatics can be performed on almost any text--and that they are therefore meaningless--should be obvious. Here we have scripture as Rorschach blot: wherein the occultist can find his magical principles perfectly reflected; [and] the conventional mystic can find his recipe for transcendence... If you pick up a copy of Finnegans Wake, for instance, and imagine that you have found therein illusions to various cosmogenic myths and alchemical schemes, chances are that you have, because Joyce put them there. But to dredge scripture in this manner ... is little more than a literary game.

04-11-2008, 02:31 AM	#7
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	The above is from The End of Faith (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Sam Harris.

04-11-2008, 02:34 AM	#8
Katastrophikus Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: PE, South Africa Posts: 499	Maybe the demons just didn't like the country side. I've been to Syria. I can sympathize. Not as much as I empathize with the pigs, though... Imagine, there you are, rutting in the mud and enjoying yourself when suddenly someone who claims to be a God of Love, sends a whole bunch of demons at you and you drown. That's just lovely. Poor pigs. That'll learn 'em.

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