Perry5

Do you know where heaven is?

Do you know where hell is?

Do you know where the lake of fire is?

if i did not know whrere i wa going would you follow me??

Garnet

Heaven doesn't exist.
Hell doesn't exist.
Lake of fire doesn't exist.
No.

Your point?

Howard

If you share whatever it is you're smoking.

Dhaeron

You know, i get the feeling you won't be around here much longer if you don't start reacting to the people in your threads soon, and do a bit of explaining.


Heaven, Hell and The Lake of Fire don't exist.
I don't understand your last question. Did Christobal Colon, in your opinion, know where he was going?

Mageth

After pondering this for a while, I think Perry5 may be addressing this at believers that claim there is a heaven, hell and "lake of fire", and asking them if they know where those places are. The last question raises the point that, if they don't know where they are, why would they expect anyone to follow them in their beliefs?

rainbow walking

rw: This one has potential so maybe some of the possible interlocutors who would like to contribute to this thread will follow it off to GRD.

jbernier

I thought that we got past the need to define a geographical location for heaven, hell, etc., by about the 16th century or so. This was, of course, a very medieval preoccupation but hardly one that concerns contemporary Christian thought.

The reason that it is not a major concern is that, quite simply, heaven and hell are typically imagined as something that resides outside the physical cosmos. Now I will say up front that this is not something that is generally thought out in any sort of rigourous fashion in contemporary theological thought. However I think that your argument is perhaps based upon a fallacy - that heaven and hell are geographic locations in the same way that Toronto and Chicago are geographic locations. That is really not the claim made by contemporary Christian theology so it strikes me that this may be a bit of a straw man.

Jonathan

Infidelettante

Thanks Megeth, maybe you could follow Perry5 around and interpret for us.

JT

Howard

Not because of enlightened theology but because of scientific reality. Besides, one would think that knowledge of such important concepts would have been provided in God's revelation. Seems a rather large oversight doesn't it? I mean, if heaven is the ultimate goal of life shoudn't we know a little about it?

Talk about making it up as you go along. The old, fabricated ideas about heaven and hell don’t square with reality any more,so Xtians simply fabricate new ones… ones that have essentially no meaning, unless you’d like to give us an example of something that exists “outside the physical cosmos.�?

Oh it’s thought of all right, it’s just glossed over because you have no explanation that makes any sense, even to the faithful.

Excuse me, but heaven and hell are Xtian concepts. The OP is just asking some basic questions about them. How is it a strawman? He’s not concocting an explanation then tearing it down, just asking for clarification.

sourdough

for an atheist,
it would have to be "bible belt" USA