Ad Astra

Murder:
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Creating a law against murder (which, as stated above, is already defined as unlawful) is a bit redundant, isn't it? But, I'm sure your god has a good reason for being so redundant, correct? So, maybe you could put him on the line so we can talk to him about that, okay?

Queen of Swords

No, it's not, since many laws are contradictory and the rationale behind other is unclear.

For the most part? Are there laws that are designed to control or demean people, rather than to protect them?

Yes, you could be happy. (This is devastating to people who want to convert you to their religion)

Magus55

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Jesus is credited with being the Messiah in Jerusalem. Ideas in the book appear to have been taken from the experience of someone in that region.

But we can't actually trust that Darwin wrote the OoS, so why should I trust whats written in it?

Nasreddin

And we all know that an argument from cut&paste, backed up by argument from repetition, is what proving things is all about.

Magus55

No its not really redundant since people still do it anyway. Its legal in some countries.

Tenek

If the law of a country says you can't drive through a red light, that means you can't drive through a red light. Biblical laws tell me not to work on the Sabbath. WTF does that mean? I can't avoid doing work on the Sabbath. I can't even *die* to avoid that one.

I am, apparently, also commanded to butcher people who worship another God. This law wouldn't protect me at all; I'd probably end up either dead or in jail permanently, depending on where I start.

Then there's that whole mess of "laws we can ignore" and "laws we can't ignore". (Shellfish, etc.)

Lastly, why should I place the Bible above all other alleged sources of Divine Law in the first place?

Queen of Swords

Even if this particular scripture is accurate, how does inspiration mean that the bible is actually the work of god? It means that the ideas and concepts passed through the filter of human beings before being written down - and may therefore have problems.

By the way, where's the doctrine, reproof, correction, etc. in the Song of Solomon? How does "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth, for thy love is better than wine" instruct people in righteousness?

doubtingthomas

Wrong.

Your interpretation would be possible if there wasn't so much evidence favoring mine.

1. In listing the signs of the age Jesus' tells the disciples "you shall see", implying that it would happen to them.

2. There are three similar quotes made by Jesus
"If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me." John 21:22

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28

"I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes." Matthew 10:23

3. The early christians seemed to think that the coming would occur within their lifetime

"Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 2 Peter 3:4

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. " - 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

Ad Astra

So, a law that basically says "Follow the law" isn't redundant because people still break that law? Well, if people break that law that says "Follow the law", by your logic we need a law that says "Follow the law that says to follow the law" and so on and so forth.

Please explain how murder, the unlawful killing of one person by another person, can be "legal in some countries."

Magus55

Actually the Sabbath law is the only one of the commandments Jesus didn't enforce in the Nt. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Do not steal and Do not lie are pretty straight forward.

Um no you're not. Love thy enemy.

Unless you live in 1000 B.C Ancient Israel, follow the laws of Jesus.

Because other laws go against basic human morals. Islam commands you to kill infidels and fight in Holy wars. Blowing up buildings doesn't sound like a Divine law.