Jaybees

Your best answer yet.

aa5874

It has been shown over and over that Christianity is NOT based on objective truth but on Personal subjective Belief without evidence and without any explanation.

The History of Belief in Gods have shown complete subjectivity where Gods have been introduced and then discarded by the hundreds.

The God of thunder was Rejected and so too will be God the Creator of the Christians.

TedM

Thank you maryhelena, and thank you spin.

Mary, your poem at the end sounds much like a description of heaven. While we can strive to attain a little bit of heaven on earth for ourselves and for our brothers and sisters, we know we can never attain it in fullness on earth, and if we help the world get closer we will be long dead before it achieves it.

I can choose to 'deal with it' and try to get closer to it in my everyday life, and I will. But, I will always wish for more, and I feel sorry for those that are unable to conceive that what they long for may actually exist.

I'm sure folks here are getting tired of me, and I'm getting tired of hearing myself too. It's been somewhat interesting though.

Ted

aa5874

Again, you present more subjectivity!!! You have no knowledge of "heaven", you have NO actual credible Data on "heaven" yet you give people the erroneous impression that you know what "heaven" is.

TedM

I just was referring to an idealized version of life, found in the afterlife. I don't know if heaven exists. Relax.

Sheshbazzar

Just as an aside it is interesting how the Bible presents two or three very different visions of what this idyllic 'heaven' will be like.

The first being the achievement of an idyllic pastoral earth where there is no more death or war or fear, even among the animal kingdom, and mankind will all become a bunch of happy pre-industrial farmers content with grubbing in the earth and harvesting by hand, sitting under vines and fig trees.

Then there is the Priestly idyllic version of heaven as envisioned by Ezekiel, one where bizarre and complex religious rituals and and elaborate Temple constructions become the focus of everything, and people only afterthoughts, existing apparently for the sole purpose of supporting the Temple and its priesthood, and giving them someone to exert absolute control over.

Lastly we have the glimpse of the heaven provided in Revelations; A gigantic alien Space Cube 1500 miles high, long, and wide arrives from beyond and plops down somewhere on earth, and the holy weirdness get even weirder.
(hey it is the Bible and the natural laws of physics no longer apply)

Most Christians (and the Bible's writers and other Abrahamic religions) have very little rationality when dealing with the subject of 'heaven', when it is supposed to come, or how, or when, or under what circumstances they are going to arrive there, and in defining or explaining exactly what they expect it to be like, other than a 'better place than' here.
Evidently even the Bible's writers had differing views on what an idyllic heaven would be like, and their 'G-d' happily gave each of them a promise of achieving whatever variation they preferred.

outhouse

again due to their ignorance of the mythology they live around.


What about that 7'th heaven

maryhelena

A LITTLE BIT OF HEAVEN (Shure They Call It Ireland)

Have you ever heard the story of how Ireland got it's name?
I'll tell you so you'll understand from whence old Ireland came
No wonder that we're proud of that dear land across the sea
For here's the way me dear old mother told the tale to me

Chorus
Shure, a little bit of heaven fell from out the sky one day
And nestled on the ocean in a spot so far away
And when the angels found it, shure it looked so sweet and fair
They said suppose we leave it, for it looks so peaceful there

So they sprinkled it with star dust just to make the shamrocks grow
'Tis the only place you'll find them no matter where you go
Then they dotted it with silver, to make it's lakes so grand
And when they had it finished shure they called it Ireland

'Tis a dear old land of fairies and of wond'rous wishing wells
And nowhere else on God's green earth have they such lakes and dells
No wonder that the angels loved it's shamrock bordered shore
'Tis a little bit of heaven, and I love it more and more

Sheshbazzar

I knew I would miss some of the multiple ideas, thanks for the reminder of The ancient 'stacked' variation of multiple 'heavens', with ladders connecting them, (Ziggurat) and the heavenly angels flitting up and down and about.
_I think the Hebrew writer was a bird watcher who patterned his 'vision' on the birds flitting about the Temple.

aa5874

The After Life??? You mean the DEAD have Life after they are dead?? What illogical and contradictory absurdity!!!

You seem to BELIEVE "Heaven" exists. You seem to exhibit "BLIND FAITH". Belief without evidence and explanation.

Hebrews 11:1 KJV Be careful for what you wish for!!!