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Old 07-17-2008, 07:28 AM   #1
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OK, hypothetically, let's say atheists die and wake up to find themselves not dead, but in God's presence. God sees a bunch of us charging toward the pearly gates and He stops us for a second. The Christians that are waiting to get in say things such as "Haha! You're gonna burn for your mistake!" and all other nice things.

God then says, "Now hold on a minute. These atheists are getting in and being welcomed with open arms." The Christians look all confused and puzzled.

God says, "Allow me to explain. You see, since atheists didn't believe I was real, they couldn't commit sin because they didn't think there was a God to defy in the first place. You can only commit sin if you think that I'm watching over you and then you choose to ignore the very God you believe in. Since atheists have never technically done anything wrong since they never believed I was real, they are allowed in. I know you Christians are thinking that this might be unfair, but what can I say? It's a loophole in my system. That's the consequence of being God for reasons unknown to myself. I don't even know how I became God. I just am. So, give me a break."

He then opens the gates and says, "OK atheists.......or should I now say theists??.........you may enter paradise."
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Ha! That God is a dick. I could see myself worshipping Him as the Supreme Lord.
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This also makes me think of Native Americans. It took at least 15 centuries(a lot longer in some places) before the 'Good News' of Christianity reached them. It seems quite unfair for a just and merciful God to throw these people into Hell when they had no chance of 'believing on Christ Jesus'.
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This also makes me think of Native Americans. It took at least 15 centuries(a lot longer in some places) before the 'Good News' of Christianity reached them. It seems quite unfair for a just and merciful God to throw these people into Hell when they had no chance of 'believing on Christ Jesus'.

Silly heathen. God had to wait until humans developed the printing press. How can the Good News reach others without a printing press?
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Can God also reminisce?

Do you think he leans back in Heaven and says, "Oh how I long for the days of the garden when everything was peaceful before man ate the magic fruit that I myself put in the garden and royally fucked himself. *long deep sigh*" :Cheeky:
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I started a long thread about a similar topic, and the response seemed to make sense: you can defy somebody's rules even if you didn't know/believe the person exists, or that their rules exist. If I went to a foreign country run by somebody who I'd never heard of and broke one of their laws I didn't know was real, I'd still be justified in receiving punishment, right?

My objection was that God's rules are not simply moral rules, otherwise moral atheists would be allowed into heaven. God demands more than kindness to others; you must prostrate yourself before him if you wrong somebody, rather than apologize to the one you wronged. This is one thing we atheists will not do, so by the rules we're damned. I'm just so happy there's no such fucking thing as God.
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Law shall be interpreted in such a way as to presume that it does not unintentionally restrict the powers of the state...

If human lawyers can come up with that, then I don't think God is going to fall for it.

That said, an extant God would likely be insane.

And there are some very liberal Christians who think good people go to heaven regardless of whether they believe in God or not. I like those Christians. It gives me a warm feeling inside to know that someone at least believes I don't deserve eternal hellfire.
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This also makes me think of Native Americans. It took at least 15 centuries(a lot longer in some places) before the 'Good News' of Christianity reached them. It seems quite unfair for a just and merciful God to throw these people into Hell when they had no chance of 'believing on Christ Jesus'.

Silly heathen. God had to wait until humans developed the printing press. How can the Good News reach others without a printing press?
If Jesus ministry happened today, instead of 2000 years ago, CNN could have spread his message much quicker.
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I started a long thread about a similar topic, and the response seemed to make sense: you can defy somebody's rules even if you didn't know/believe the person exists, or that their rules exist. If I went to a foreign country run by somebody who I'd never heard of and broke one of their laws I didn't know was real, I'd still be justified in receiving punishment, right?

My objection was that God's rules are not simply moral rules, otherwise moral atheists would be allowed into heaven. God demands more than kindness to others; you must prostrate yourself before him if you wrong somebody, rather than apologize to the one you wronged. This is one thing we atheists will not do, so by the rules we're damned. I'm just so happy there's no such fucking thing as God.
The Gates of Heaven just require the magic pass phrase; 'I Believe Jesus is God'.

A Christian does not have to be moral. They are supposedly 'covered by the blood'.
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If Jesus ministry happened today, instead of 2000 years ago, CNN could have spread his message much quicker.
Somehow I think Jesus' message would more likely be on Facebook.

He'd only have twelve Friends, and most would doubt him.

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That's just fucking cute. And people wonder why I have reservations about taking little kids to church.
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