Wayne Delia

The above material was completely plagiarized at length from the URL http://www.khouse.org/articles/techn...970601-12.html, complete with the misspelling of "sulphurous."

I realize you can't think for yourself, but the correct thing to do when you use someone else's material is to properly attribute the actual author, or at the very least, provide a URL so that the material can be reviewed without taking up so much space on this forum.

Plagiarism involves the breaking of at least two commandments: "Thou shalt not steal" (someone else's material), and "Thou shalt not bear false witness" (representing someone else's material as your own.)

If Jesus actually existed, He'd be ashamed of you.

WMD

missus_gumby

And talking of plagiarism, I have already deleted the content of two of Easterngate's posts for that very reason.



Martin

(Thanks for the heads up Wayne!)

{Edited to add: Blimey! I found a third!}

Wayne Delia

Two points:

First, the places where God identifies Himself as "Jealous" say nothing at all about God being jealous of man worshipping creation. Exodus 34:14 reads "Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God," and Exodus 20:5 says "I the Lord thy God am a jealous God" in reference to "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Nothing at all about God being jealous of man worshipping creation - nothing at all. What version of the Bible are you using, assuming the Catholic Church actually allows you to read the Bible on your own without their, uh, "supervision."

Second, I was actually channel surfing quite a few years ago, flipping through the channels looking for ESPN when I passed Trinity Broadcasting Network, showing a "Praise the Lord" show with Paul and Jan Crouch, whose guest briefly mentioned "The problem is that they worship the creation, while I worship the Creator." Turns out the guest was James Watt, the former Secretary of the Interior under Ronald Reagan, and he was responding to a question about the many critics of his strip-mining policies. If you worship God, he reasoned, you can do whatever you damn well please to the environment.

It is because of His goodness that we have the things we can enjoy and use for life.

That's a complete non-sequitur. You were asked about God's jealousy, not God's goodness.

WMD

Wayne Delia

Then why did Jesus feel it necessary to mention waters coming out of someone's belly, if it had nothing to do with someone's belly? Guess Jesus wasn't as omniscient as He was cracked up to be.

WMD

Cross Examiner

Wayne, I'll repeat myself but add emphasis this time:

BGic wrote:
"I understand that in John 7:38, Jesus is comparing Himself to the waters that never fail, found in Isaiah 58:11. His audience would've caught His drift well enough."

Allegory. It's a literary device often used by teachers. Rabbis are often considered teachers. Jesus was often referred to as rabbi and/or teacher. Jesus had occasion to use allegory. John 7:38 was one such occasion. Speaking of literary devices, I used "drift" purposefully. Cool, eh?

Now, noting your inference, Jesus need not quote verbatim. He is not giving a dissertation on Isaiah but rather sermonizing using the words of Isaiah as a backdrop. Belly is a reference to appetite of man--you can see the correlation now? No? Well, as mentioned prior, the folks in the Aramaic world would've soaked it up like a sponge (use Joisy accent for full effect). See that? I did it again.

Now, it has occurred to me that some, like Wayne here, have quite an interest in trying to knock Jesus. Take the following smug remark as an example:
"Guess Jesus wasn't as omniscient as He was cracked up to be."
...indicating almost an eagerness to search for a "weakness" to exploit. One can only wonder what the motivation for that might be...if only I knew.

Regards,
BGic

EasternGate

Forgive me for misunderstanding you on the exact meaning of your question. First of all what Jesus is saying is that those who are saved and recieve His Spirit will speak things of the Spirit instead of worldly things that destroy.
But here are some of the scriptures Jesus was referring to.
Job 32:18-19, Proverbs 10:11, Proverbs 18:4, Isaiah 12:2-3, 44:2-3, 58:10-11, 59:21,
Proverbs 16:22,

EasternGate

Joshua, Yeshua, are pronunciations of Jesus in Hebrew.
Jesus' name means Johovah(Joshua, yeshua) and Christ means Messiah.
So Jesus Christ is Yeshua is Messiah.


Lexicon Results for Y@howshuwa` (Strong's 03091)
Hebrew for 03091
(Str. & Ges.) (Str. & Ges.)
Pronunciation Guide
Y@howshuwa` {yeh-ho-shoo'-ah} or Y@howshu`a {yeh-ho-shoo'-ah}

TWOT Reference Root Word
Not Available from 03068 and 03467
Part of Speech
n pr m
Outline of Biblical Usage
Joshua or Jehoshua = "Jehovah is salvation"

EasternGate

It is not Plagerism because it is the Holy Spirit who wrote the scriptures by holy men who were moved to write what God spoke. So when God repeats Himself you can be sure that it's important.

excreationist

Doctor X:
I don't understand what your point is.... I mean what do you think would be the most accurate translation in those cases - "slave" or "servant" or what? And "born again" or "born from above" or what? (Maybe the most accurate translation is totally different)

EasternGate

Why would Jesus be ashamed of me? I'm using His scripture to preach the Gospel, that's why He gave it.
So quit trying to find reasons to escape the truth you know is truth a to justify your rebellion from God. You know the gospel you heard the truth and now it's between you and god.
Every man no matter if man believes God or not, they have an appointment at the throneroom of God to give account for sin. This you cannot think away.
There are some Christians that can explain better than I can on subjects and since it's biblical it is God's word and the truth to share.
Try again.