spin

Only because context seems to mean nothing to you. Because of this you tend to over-generalize and go off in wild tangents. Case in point:

You kid yourself. But instead of dealing with history you cannot distinguish between history and hagiography.

Jerome, writing well over 300 years after Philo, is not a witness to anything but Philo's report. How about dealing with the evidence--not your absurdities?

But using the same literal misguidedness that is endemic of your folly, Philo doesn't declare that the therapeutae had two legs either. Both facts are obvious, but you are incapable of dealing with either. So you can start your performance of outrage now.

aa5874

The very birth of the Christian Jesus is from Isaiah 7.14. The very acts of the Christian Jesus are found in Hebrew Scripture. The very teachings of the Christian Church of the Uncircumcised is from Hebrew Scripture.

Hebrew Scripture is BOLTED to the NT Canon.

The very Christian Religion of the Church of Rome shows without any reasonable doubt that Non Jews did study Hebrew Scripture and even invented a God called Jesus which the Jews REJECTED.

The Bible of the Jesus cult itself destroys all argument that the Therapeutae were Jews because they studied Hebrew Scripture.

The Bible of the Jesus cult contains 39 books from the Hebrew Bible.

Sheshbazzar

And these Scripture reading, Scripture believing, Scripture preaching, Scripture toting, and yet Sabbath observing gentiles were not Jews or 'Jewish'.


I'm not stating that the Theraputae of Alexandria were not Jews. (after all I have already 'given' them to stephan) but if one wants to call them 'Jewish' they were practicing some mighty strange reclusive hermetic 'cult' form of Judaism, -with many SUNDAY ritual observance being introduced, (with that 50th day always falling on SUNDAY) -like being half-way into what eventually became the weirdness of Alexandrian Coptic Christian monasticism.
Likely they even referred to themselves by the popular Hellenic term 'chrestians' .

aa5874

Wild tangents?? You go on the Wildest tangents.

History and hagiography?? You know the difference??

Please, you are NOT credible.

spin

We are dealing with a text that shows signs of not having been stable. If you want to treat it as if it were, you live with the consequences.

They are not my therapeutae, bro.

Here, you've been shitting all over the forum and you wanna talk about losing respect for someone else? Try earning some first.

But Hanukkah is "hinky" according to your logic... because it is not covered by the torah and therefore additive to the cultic calendar.

You are relying on the limited, or perhaps selectively controlled, knowledge provided by Philo. He may not have known or seen reason to go into details of the festivals, but they are clearly delimited in the Temple Scroll. It is not something invented in Egypt, so the therapeutae are inheritors. Shavuot ("pentacost" to the new boys) itself indicates surviving pentacontad reckoning. In the Temple Scroll New Wine is seven weeks later. New Oil is seven weeks later again. From the DSS it is not the repetition of the same festival, but that there was a series fifty days apart.

"Local", my eye.

While you are crapping on, you should realize that your use of "monasteries" is merely poor translation and you are implicitly importing the christian notion. Read more carefully and you'd know that it plainly doesn't carry the same meaning.

You have not got a single source for there "normal -working- Jewish people, the farmers, the bakers, the carpenters, the herdsmen, and laborers". It's just histrionic conjecture.

Oh dear. I wasn't asking about the size of your underwear, but how you placed Hanukkah in relation to your perceived scheme of Judaism.

:realitycheck:

You just want to go all anal-retentive christian to attack a Jewish group (idealized by Philo for rhetorical purposes), within a heterodox Judaism of the time, because they don't adhere to your rules of how Judaism should have been. You are having difficulties distinguishing horseshit.

:horsecrap:

spin

And when all else fails, blather.

Sheshbazzar

Any reader familiar with the tenor of my posts and beliefs will know that this is statement is about the most ridiculous accusation that you could possibly come up with.
Hey Toto ya think I'm an 'anal retentive Christian' ?

But your post confirmed that it is pointless to engage with you in any serious discussion, as you simply scorn and discount any text that disagrees with your opinions.

I feel sorry for you, that you have degenerated into such a nasty, bitter, and sad shriveled up old woman.

mountainman

Eusebius writes about Constantine's destruction of the Asclepian temple.


Robin Lane Fox describes it this way ...


We may infer that Eusebius knew about the existence of these temples.


We may also infer that he knew about the therapeutae serving in these temples.


These references were supplied to remind people that there hundreds of archaeological and numismatic references to Asclepius during the period in question. We may reasonable infer the therapeutae of Asclepius were ubiquitous in the empire, in Egypt, Greece and Rome and outside of it. These people were highly regarded.

See what happened to Oribasius


The above section by Fox was headed "Persecution of the Old Religions".

This sudden Christian persecution was not limited to torture, destruction and prohibition.

This sudden Christian persecution also attacked and controlled the perception of history.

We are now to learn that Plato got his wisdom by reading Moses.

And who are the therapeutae in antiquity?

A Jewish sect described in a Church preserved Philosopher's Utopian legend?



I am more likely to trust evidence not Church fucking preserved legends.



Julian's Letter 44

Sheshbazzar

From memory;

'Monasteries' is the term that is used in our English translations of Philo's VC .
He describes them as bare plain small 'houses' occupied by a single Theraputae engaging in study and in religious rigmarole -in seclusion-
from dawn till dusk six days a week, not crossing the threshold, nor even so much as looking outside during the daylight hours.

Religious 'shrines' called the 'holy place' were located in every one of these minimal human shelters known as 'monasteries'.
No food or drink was to be brought into, or consumed while in these 'house'/'monasteries'.
Basically a description of 'Monks' cells'. These 'monasteries' were not public structures used for public religious gatherings.

The occupants were inclined to engage in extreme fasting, with an ideal of surviving an entire six days without taking either food or drink.
(likely there would have been the bare minimum of physical activity while so holed up so as to attain the longest possible fast)

Communal meals and community religious rituals were held in a seperate community gathering place called the Temple.
There were a lot of food phobias, with the Theraputae resricted to consuming little more than bread, hyssop, and water.

From Philo's descrption, I believe it was an insanely sick religious cult. (If he's was not just making this bullshit up)

I believe I have covered the basics of what Philo described as being 'monasteries'.

Any objections.

mountainman

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Word frequency information for therapeutae ... θεραπευτής