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ahdenai · 08-14-2011, 05:40 PM

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Little Dot: a bunch of sick bastards.

Just limiting my google news search to the month of August, which is less than 1/2 over:

Texas:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-revealed.html

More texas (this one particularly pathetic):
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7689112.html

Indiana -
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...,5456961.story

Kentucky:
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.a...81474979864281

Delaware:
http://www.necn.com/08/11/11/Pedophi...e33688c1b8abe7

Philadelphia:
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Car...127087058.html

California:
http://www.montereyherald.com/local/ci_18599605

Massachusetts:
http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...1&slug=1519842

UK:
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2.../18547046.html

Ireland:
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/New...127574198.html

Australia:
http://www.goddiscussion.com/72921/c...-in-australia/

yup. a bunch of sick bastards. and that's just this August.

spin · 08-14-2011, 06:00 PM

This thread has become a waste of space.

:tombstone:

Little Dot · 08-15-2011, 12:06 AM

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Get off your soap box and save your supposed consternation for the Talmud supporters. Rabbinic Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament. I defy you to show me where the Old Testament says it's ok to rape children

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The Talmud does not say that it's okay to rape children. You can read a rational discussion here.

Nice try, how interesting that he didn't explain:

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There was a certain town in the Land of Israel the legitimacy of whose inhabitants was disputed, and Rabbi sent R. Romanos who conducted an enquiry and found in it the daughter of a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day, and Rabbi declared her elegible to live with a priest.

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That a proselyte under the age of three years and one day may be married by a priest and was married to a priest I.e permitted her to continue to live with her husband.

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But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

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Consequently it must be said tht Scripture speaks of one fit for cohabitation

Now I ask again can you show me one scripture in the Old Testament that would condone this.

spin · 08-15-2011, 12:21 AM

This might do as a biblical indication of paedophilia:

Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the women children who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

The words in red are the same in Hebrew. Kill all the females who were old enough to have sex. Kill all the boy children among the little ones and take the female little ones for yourselves. It doesn't say 3-year-olds though. It means all female little ones above and below 3.

Perhaps times and mores have changed.

Little Dot · 08-15-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ahdenai

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Little Dot: a bunch of sick bastards.

Just limiting my google news search to the month of August, which is less than 1/2 over:

yup. a bunch of sick bastards. and that's just this August.

We were not talking about them, were we? Are trying to condone the actions of the Talmudists by showing as equally sick individuals?

Little Dot · 08-15-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

this anti-Jewish thing is becoming annoying.

I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Talmudist Rabbinical Judaism. In another post you said "when I grew up as a yooung Jewish lad", by referring to me as "Little Spot" in one of your posts are you insinuating that I am a "dog"?

The fact is non-Jews have been lulled into thinking that the Talmudists look on non-Jews favorably in part due to the movie "Schinler's List" by Steven Spielberg. Over and over you hear people (non-Jews) spouting off how the Talmud says "if you save on life, it's as if you saved the whole world"

According to Michael Hoffman in his book "Judaism Discovered" (or via: amazon.co.uk) the passage referred to in "Schindler" is BT Sanhedrin 37a, and, it read in the Steinsaltz edition, as follows:

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"whosoever destroys even a single life in Israel, Scripture regards him as if he had destroyed an entire world. And the converse is also true: Whoever saves a life in Israel, Scripture regards him as if he had saved the entire world." The Talmud: The Steinsaltz Edition, v. 17, p.68.

Sanhedrin 37a is often inappropriately applied to anyone saving anyone's life. This due to the fact that English versions of the Talmud have been censored. Neither the authentic Talmud nor the Mishnah support such an interpretation. The Talmud nad Mishnah restrict the duty to save life to saving only Judaic lives.

In other words, the rendering used by "Schindler's List" is a counterfeit and thus, the universalist version which Steven Spielberg in his famous movie attributes to the Talmud, is intended to give a humanistic gloss to a rabbinical text, which in essence, constitutes racist literature!

Micahael Hoffman Judaism Discovered, p. 527, 528

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Isn't there some Aryan Nations forum you'd be more at home in?

:slowclap: Nice Huller, real nice

Toto · 08-15-2011, 10:26 AM

Little Dot - Michael Hoffman is a Holocaust denier and a conspiracy theorist.

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Hoffman's self-described vocation is "researching the occult cryptocracy's orchestration of American history." He believes that this cryptocracy runs American history, controlling culture and thought via ritualistic psychodramas and killing sprees. A detailed explanation of this hypothesis is found in Hoffman's Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare. Examples of such "psychodramas," in Hoffman's view, include Route 66 (which connects various centers of Satanic importance), and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, in which Hoffman sees ritualistic elements.¹

Hoffman also argues that the gnosis of this ruling cabal are slowly being revealed through movies such as They Live and The Matrix and other forms of symbolic and subliminal communication which Hoffman terms twilight language.

The argument that you quote from him has been debunked here.

"Judaism Discovered" is reviewed here in a most amusing manner.

So, Little Dot - it's time to come clean. Most evangelical Christians have repudiated their anti-Semitic past and now love the Jews. What's with you? Are you just trying to push some buttons?

PhilosopherJay · 08-15-2011, 12:56 PM

Hi Little Dot,

You appear to be a student of the Talmud.

Do you think the Talmud preserves the original words of Jesus in the form of Rabbi Gamiel? Or do you think it is a coincidence that Gamiel answers his opponents in parables like Jesus? We know from acts (22:3) that Gamiel was the teacher of Paul. Did Paul think Gamiel was Christ?

from the Babylonian Talmud, tract Abuda Zara book 9, chapter 4:

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A philosopher once asked Raban Gamaliel: Your law says [Deut. iv. 24]: "For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, yea, a watchful God"; why is it that he is so watchful with regard to the worshipper and not to the idol? Said Raban Gamaliel: I will answer your question by a metaphor: Suppose a king's son names his dog with the father's name and swears, whenever he does, by the life of this dog; the father, once informed about this, will he get angry at his son or at the dog? Naturally enough, at the son. Thereupon said the philosopher: You call the idol dog, which is not feasible, since the idol has loftier gifts. You ask which are these? Why, once a conflagration consumed all our city, and the idol temple remained intact. Answered R. Gamaliel: I shall use again a metaphor: A province once revolted against the king; against whom do you suppose he used his weapons, against the living or against the dead? Naturally enough, against the former. Said the philosopher: You style our gods dogs and dead; well, then, when they really are so worthless why does not God annihilate them altogether? Yea, he would surely do it, was the reply, were they not of objects useful to the preservation of the world, such as are the sun, moon, stars, planets, mountains and valleys, for it reads [Zeph. i. 2, 3]: "I will remove utterly all things from off the face of the earth, saith the Lord. I will remove man and beast; I will remove the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks of the wicked." That is to say: The Lord wonders, shall I do this when the heathens worship man, too? I should have then to destroy the whole universe!

Jay Raskin

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Originally Posted by ahdenai

Just limiting my google news search to the month of August, which is less than 1/2 over:

yup. a bunch of sick bastards. and that's just this August.

We were not talking about them, were we? Are trying to condone the actions of the Talmudists by showing as equally sick individuals?

Juststeve · 08-15-2011, 02:23 PM

Jay:

I assume you are referring to Rabban Gamaliel. If so you should be aware that there is nothing unique about his use of stories to teach. It is standard Rabbinical practice and would probably be the method the historical Jesus would have used if he existed.

More to the point many Jews have been taught that much of the Hebrew Bible is to be understood as parable rather than as actual history. The question to ask is not "did that really happen?" it is "why is it written like that?" I remember with regard to the story of Cain and Able my old Rabbi told me the master of the universe doesn't have to have a brother kill another brother to teach us that we are our brother's keeper.

Much is missed by those who scoff.

Steve

Little Dot · 08-15-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Little Dot - Michael Hoffman is a Holocaust denier and a conspiracy theorist.

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Hoffman's self-described vocation is "researching the occult cryptocracy's orchestration of American history." He believes that this cryptocracy runs American history, controlling culture and thought via ritualistic psychodramas and killing sprees. A detailed explanation of this hypothesis is found in Hoffman's Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare. Examples of such "psychodramas," in Hoffman's view, include Route 66 (which connects various centers of Satanic importance), and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, in which Hoffman sees ritualistic elements.¹

Hoffman also argues that the gnosis of this ruling cabal are slowly being revealed through movies such as They Live and The Matrix and other forms of symbolic and subliminal communication which Hoffman terms twilight language.

The argument that you quote from him has been debunked here.

"Judaism Discovered" is reviewed here in a most amusing manner.

So, Little Dot - it's time to come clean. Most evangelical Christians have repudiated their anti-Semitic past and now love the Jews. What's with you? Are you just trying to push some buttons?

Sorry to disappoint you but I have never been anti-Semetic, which in itself is a misnomer since the people of the Middle East are all considered to be of Semetic origin. Huller accused me of being anti-Jewish which is a lie. I'm very grateful to the Jewish people because of the faithful righteous Jews that preserved the Old Testament writings.

If Mr. Hoffman is a Holocaust denier then I don't agree with him. I looked though his book and I couldn't find any place where he outright denies the Holocaust. He seems to question the number 6 million and is angered at people for making such a big thing out of it when in his opinion a Holocaust is being perpetrated against the Palestinians and people ignore that fact.

He says:

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Whenever raw quotations from the Talmud are published we are accused of distorting them or "taking them out of context." Some go so far to claim they are an "antisemetic fabrication." People who make such allegations must be very lazy indeed, because it is not a major ordeal to locate the volumes of the Socino or Steinsaltz English-language edition of the Talmud and confiorm the existence of these passages as well as their context

The Talmud and the other major texts of the rabbinic canon, should be read and studied in their entirety and not merely in anthologies that have been edited to include only passages that give the impression that Judaism is a wise and humane, loving and kind religion of God's justice and law. The same charge can be leveled at this book: that we have merely selected the most prejudicial passages, skipping over anything that would acquit Judaism of the charges we make with regard to it. pg.329

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spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	This might do as a biblical indication of paedophilia: Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the women children who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. The words in red are the same in Hebrew. Kill all the females who were old enough to have sex. Kill all the boy children among the little ones and take the female little ones for yourselves. It doesn't say 3-year-olds though. It means all female little ones above and below 3. Perhaps times and mores have changed.

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Juststeve Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 758	Jay: I assume you are referring to Rabban Gamaliel. If so you should be aware that there is nothing unique about his use of stories to teach. It is standard Rabbinical practice and would probably be the method the historical Jesus would have used if he existed. More to the point many Jews have been taught that much of the Hebrew Bible is to be understood as parable rather than as actual history. The question to ask is not "did that really happen?" it is "why is it written like that?" I remember with regard to the story of Cain and Able my old Rabbi told me the master of the universe doesn't have to have a brother kill another brother to teach us that we are our brother's keeper. Much is missed by those who scoff. Steve

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