Johnny Skeptic

That is ridiculous. The passage contains physical elements that did not happen. That no doubt harmed the spiritual welfare of some Bible believers. The same goes for Nebuchadnezzar's failure to defeat Tyre after Ezekiel called him a "kings of kings," reference Ezekiel chapter 26. I suspect that the "many nations" part of Ezekiel 26 was added after it became apparent that Nebuchadnezzar would not conquer Tyre. It is doubtful that Ezekiel would claim that a "king of kings" would get into the city of Tyre, tear down lots of its towers, and kill lots of people, and then fail to capture the city. Several generations of people who knew about the Tyre prophecy died without seeing if fulfilled. If anything, that would have caused doubt, certainly not confidence. You obviously do not have any idea whatsoever what you are talking about.

Johnny Skeptic

SPIRITUAL WELFARE? That is ridiculous. The passage contains a PHYSICAL PROMISE that did not happen. That no doubt harmed the spiritual welfare of some Bible believers. The same goes for Nebuchadnezzar's failure to defeat Tyre after Ezekiel called him a "kings of kings," reference Ezekiel chapter 26. I suspect that the "many nations" part of Ezekiel 26 was added after it became apparent that Nebuchadnezzar would not conquer Tyre. It is doubtful that Ezekiel would claim that a "king of kings" would get into the city of Tyre, tear down lots of its towers, and kill lots of people, and then fail to capture the city. Several generations of people who knew about the Tyre prophecy died without seeing if fulfilled. If anything, that would have caused doubt, certainly not confidence.

Well, you certainly did enough with OT prophecies to make a post in this thread until you got into trouble.

In the thread on Bible contradictions, you made a number of posts regarding Old Testament scriptures. There is little if any difference between a contradiction and a failed prophecy. The simple truth is that if you believed that you had some good arguments, you would never pass up a chance to embarrass me, and you would have made more posts in this thread.

Since you have a preference for New Testament prophecies, please pick one and let's discuss it.

Johnny Skeptic

I agree. My point was that if God does exist, he told a lie, which by implication means that he does not exist since the Bible says that God does not tell lies.

Anyone who has just a modest amount of common sense knows that I am not proposing that the God of the Bible exists, and that in fact, I am proposing that he does not exist.

mens_sana

LOL. You're just trying to have your cake and eat it too. If God does NOT exist, Ezekiel is the one doing the talking. If God does exist, Zeke is still the guy doing the talking. Either way you hack it, God told no lies. :devil1:

Johnny Skeptic

That is false. I said "If the God of the does exist......." You changed what I said to read "If God does not exist." If the God of the Bible does exist, he told a lie, or at least was deceptive. Since it is obvious that Ezekiel did the talking if the God of the Bible does not exist, your comment that "If God does not exist, Ezekiel is the one doing the talking" was utterly absurd. Why must you embarrass yourself?

mens_sana

The non/existence makes no difference. Ezekiel reports what he says is the word of the Lord. Was the Lord there to say it? No, only Ezekiel, the pulpit-pounding prophet in an era before tent revivals. You might have a case if Zeke had heard it from the "burning bush," but that's a different legend.

And then there's a further problem — there is no such character as the "God of the Bible."

If I'm am to be embarrassed, it will be in the face of an unthinking skepticism, based on the sea anchor of a sloughed Fundamentalism.

Johnny Skeptic

Yes it does. If the God of the Bible does not exist, he could not have inspired Ezekiel to write the Tyre prophecy. If he does exist, he inspired Ezekiel to write the Tyre prophecy, and he was at least deceptive regarding his apparent promise to give Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar to Tyre as a compensation for his failure to defeat Tyre.

No I'm not.

Obviously.

No, God is doing the talking through Ezekiel. When actors act in movies, they do the talking, but they are talking through the screenwriters. Consider the following Scriptures:

2 Timothy 3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. (KJV).

2 Peter 1:20-21: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (KJV)

You are obviously wrong.

Yes he did, or at least he was deceptive.

mens_sana

Johnny Skeptic has a peculiar line of reasoning here: If God exists, he inspired Zeke to write the Tyre prophecy....and because the prophecy failed, God lied. (Is that a fair summary?)

So, Zeke had nothing to do with it! It couldn't possibly be that Zeke was passing along a hellfire sermon, or just what he thought was on God's mind. And a chapter later Zeke even admits he screwed up and says that God will give Nebby Egypt as recompense for his futile labors at Tyre. That should give anyone a clue that these were all Zeke's words, that he was little more than the Falwell-Robertson of his day. But if one admits that Zeke screwed it up, then one cannot blame God — and assassinating God's character is the name of the game.

mens_sana

By the way, you did not respond to there is no such character as the "God of the Bible" :devil1:

Johnny Skeptic

Since you know that I do not believe that the God of the Bible exists, your comment was ridiculous.