Rich Oliver

Are Judas and Judah different names in Hebrew, Aramaic and the Greek texts?

Toto

They seem to be the same.

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Baalazel

If Judas is Judah then his betrayal of Jesus makes sense as a metaphor of Israel's rejection of the Messiah. His duplicity in the act, being a follower and a back stabber, mirrors Israel's desire for the coming of the Messiah and it's rejection and execution of him when he did arrive. His horrible death is symbolic of the destruction of Israel as a result of the rejection.

Judas as symbol solves some of the questions that surround Judas. It reveals the requirement that Judas publicly point out Jesus to those who arrested him as a charge that Israel could not expect it's rejection to remain hidden.

If Judas can be understood as metaphor it adds one more layer to the symbolic nature of scripture and to the argument that all of the story of Jesus is best understood as symbolism.

Baal

defearian

Interesting thought, maybe you should expand on it.

IamJoseph

Obviously, you have not read the criteria for a Messiah. Obviously, you have confused who prevailed with Nazi Rome: Israel lives, resurrected exactly as prophisized - via a small remnant from the ashes of European Christianity, and there are 1000s of bricks in the wall today. Where is mighty Rome?

Revelling on the destruction of Israel, who alone stood up to Rome and its depraved emperperors' heresy doctrine, which was continued by the Church - is hardly a good lesson for humanity what denotes love.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR = BS

LOVE THE STRANGER = HEBREW TRUTH.


Christianity can only prove itself how it acts against the Jews - and this is how the world will measure Christians because they know what the Jews are up against - exactly what will befall them also. The Hebrew bible will test and expose the lie - because a falsehood has no place with truth.


"WHEN FREEDOM OF BELIEF - BECAME MIGHTY ROME'S GREATEST WAR"

And guess who won.

:wave:

IamJoseph

Its a more interesting lie - unless someone can prove any of those charges. The rules for proof are clearly laid down in the Hebrew bible, and now enshrined as law in the world's institutions. I say, beware those who promote truth via 'belief' only.

Rome's archives are full of reports of trials, even insignificant ones. But the trials reported in the gospels is found nowhere outside the Gospels. Not that it ever made sense Rome would entertain such a trial - there was a decree of heresy hovering over Judea - Rome would have done with Jesus as she did with a million other Jews.

Anat

How do you translate Leviticus 19:18?

IamJoseph

This is about compensation in one's community and in the work force [thus, thy neighbour]. Not to bear a grudge means not to do so outside the law, and only the prescribed legal penalty must apply. 'Iam the Lord' ending refers to when no one else can see what one is doing, e.g. a hidden grudge, but that this is seen by God.

Basically, the issue of love is not exemplified by one's neighbour or kin, which is open to self interest and biological input. It only has merit when this is seen with Strangers, because this requires extending demands. Love of parents is involuntary has no merit; honor of parents, even when there is a discordance, does have merit.

J-D

It's definitely the same name. I think the terminal 's' must be a Greek nominative ending. (Hebrew nouns, like English ones but unlike Greek ones, don't have case inflections.)

semiopen

I give up, who won?

I've read a little on the messiah, and frankly the Jewish and Christian versions seem to have just minor technical differences. The Jewish false messiahs don't seem substantially different than Jesus. Sabattai Zevi was apparently accepted by most of the Jewish world in the mid 17th century.