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Old 08-22-2012, 10:26 PM   #21
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The inscription says Chrestos is my guess. http://books.google.com/books?id=ycl...ed=0CDAQ6AEwAA
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Another reference http://books.google.com/books?id=Qgl...tos%22&f=false
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A better photo of the inscription http://books.google.com/books?id=RZP...tos%22&f=false
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A chapter from a book somewhere as a pdf http://www.pontos.dk/publications/bo...olitical-class

Another reference same book http://www.pontos.dk/publications/bo...n-chrysostomos
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We have no evidence that Trajan or Pliny ever heard of anybody named Jesus Christos. The fact that Gaius Cassius Christos was the archpriest of Bithynia means that they must have heard of him. We know that Christos was a major religious figure in Bithynia around this time. We do not know that anybody in Bithynia had ever heard of Jesus Christ. It is simply logical that the reference "They worship Christos as a God" refers to him and not to a non-historical character who probably wasn't invented until well after 111...
Again, based on the letter itself what you claim is NOT logical. If there were many Messianic claimants then Christos could refer to any "Tom", "Dick" or "Harry".
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What a fascinating idea. How would you handle "deaconness" appearing in the Pliny Letter? Do you think the cult of Cybele produced deacons/deaconness? Or do you think it originally read priestess?
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Hi Stephan Huller,

Yes, it does seem to be Chrestos. I guess his name would be translated as something like Jay Hollow, the Good and his followers, Chrestians, the good ones.


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Hi Stephan Huller,

Yes, it does seem to be Chrestos. I guess his name would be translated as something like Jay Hollow, the Good and his followers, Chrestians, the good ones.
Well, if it was Chrestos then the Pliny letter did NOT mention the guy.
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AA, I already suggested resolving this matter by checking with the 15th century priest Giacondo who is alleged to have "discovered" the Pliny letter, unknown anytime before. ;-)
I wonder how many other such "discoveries" should involve so much discussion and debate......

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Yes, it does seem to be Chrestos. I guess his name would be translated as something like Jay Hollow, the Good and his followers, Chrestians, the good ones.
Well, if it was Chrestos then the Pliny letter did NOT mention the guy.
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